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Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by [deleted] »

Shared404 wrote: post #56
scifibestfi wrote: post #40

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I'm amused by the idea that developing brains in particular are being informed, rather than misinformed, by social media. Where did that come from in the age of misinformation and filter bubbles? Adult brains are misinformed by these bubbles, teenage brains are even more vulnerable.

When what you've been told in your life so far are things like being told your whole life that non-cishet people are "demons" and that racism is good actually, I think social media is the lesser of two evils. (Source: Raised in TX, knew people taught both of the things above and learned otherwise thanks to social media. For the record, my parents did _not_ teach either of the above)

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Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by justsomeadvice0 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #46
0xffff2 wrote: post #41

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Passports aren't free.

So? Passports aren't expensive either. EDIT: I looked up the fees, it is $130 USD for a passport book, both for first-time issuance (plus separate fee of $35) and renewals. Most passports are valid for 10 years. That is not expensive, and practically free. Source: https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Pa...

That's prohibitively expensive for an ID, even for most Americans. Any required government IDs should be nearly if not completely subsidized.

Requiring IDs in the USA has historically been used as a form of voter suppression. Texas is one of the worst states WRT voter suppression [1]; anecdotally in the 2020 election (during COVID) Houston, TX (3rd largest city in America) had exactly 1 ballot dropbox [2].

1. https://www.aclutx.org/en/news/5-ways-texas-suppresses-vote-...

2. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/10/13/trump-j...

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by DavidPeiffer »

Dalewyn wrote: post #46
0xffff2 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Passports aren't free.

So? Passports aren't expensive either. EDIT: I looked up the fees, it is $130 USD for a passport book, both for first-time issuance (plus separate fee of $35) and renewals. Most passports are valid for 10 years. That is not expensive, and practically free. Source: https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Pa...

$130 probably isn't much to the majority of people on this forum, but $130 can buy multiple weeks of groceries for 2 people at low cost retailers. That is absolutely a lot of money to the significant percent of Americans who live paycheck to paycheck.

Even if you're not living paycheck to paycheck, $130 could be a decent chunk of what you're able to save annually. When money and expenses aren't consistent, it's be tough to prioritize a passport with no intention of traveling internationally.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by [deleted] »

GoOnThenDoTell wrote: post #45
Dalewyn wrote: post #30

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For some governmental (aka official) examples: * State-issued ID card (aka the lesser equivalent to a driver's license card) * Federal-issued passport * Federal-issued passport card (yes, these are a thing) For some informal examples (if they have a photo): * Company ID card/documentation * Library card * Medical card ---- Everyone always has access to a state-issued ID card (or driver's license) and a passport issue…

Passports are very expensive though, like hundreds of dollars. They’d have to make them free for this to work

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Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by hobotime »

Shared404 wrote: post #37
falcolas wrote: post #8

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> This might not only be about protecting the children. Sadly, it never is about protecting the children. It's always about pushing other agendas that are, at best, tangentially aimed at protecting children. For example, holding back Texan teens (aka Gen Z, who had a huge impact on the recent midterms) from being a part of the broader political discussion; from informing themselves before they're able to vote.

This x1000. I live in TX, and it is many people's greatest fear that their kids might start to think differently than their parents.

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Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by falcolas »

remarkEon wrote: post #54
falcolas wrote: post #8

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> This might not only be about protecting the children. Sadly, it never is about protecting the children. It's always about pushing other agendas that are, at best, tangentially aimed at protecting children. For example, holding back Texan teens (aka Gen Z, who had a huge impact on the recent midterms) from being a part of the broader political discussion; from informing themselves before they're able to vote.

What percentage of Gen Z is under the age of 18?

To be over 18 now, you need to be born roughly before 2005. Per Wikipedia, Gen Z seems to run from 1995 to 2010 (which is oddly small considering most generations span 20 years), so over a third of them.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by MonkeyMalarky »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #73
hellotomyrars wrote: post #67

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I’ll bite. What is the indoctrination the CCP feeding teens over tiktok?

In China, social media is regulated and enforces that children be shown content that is generally related to STEM or other achievements. No stupid dance videos, no memes, no stupid trends - it's "check out this algorithm I wrote!" Many of the top-trending videos on TikTok would actually be banned. Is it malicious? I think so, though not everyone agrees, but the outcome is the same both ways: I would say it is indoctr…

And here I thought it was all a conspiracy to infect American teens with imaginary mental illnesses.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by Dalewyn »

aplusbi wrote: post #80
Dalewyn wrote: post #43

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As I said in my other reply, their lack of governmental identification is by choice. Should they choose to not obtain them even if they have the opportunity, then that is their problem.

I doubt I'm going to change your mind on this, but I think you are under-estimating the difficulty of getting ID in certain parts of the country, for certain people. For example, people living on reservations often have difficulty getting ID because the DMV/other agencies are hundreds of miles away, many lack transportation, many lack the necessary documentation required to get the IDs, some states have put legal hur…

No doubt there are some specific people who will have difficulties obtaining identification for no justifiable reason. Such barriers to access should be rectified.

However, we are speaking in general rather than specific contrived what-ifs. The vast majority of people have the opportunity to obtain multiple forms of governmental identification that are accessible and affordable.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by recursivedoubts »

ketralnis wrote: post #25
recursivedoubts wrote: post #22

Some folks on HN will hate this idea due to the genetic fallacy, but I think we'll end up feeling about social-media the way we currently feel about smoking: it is something that obviously requires protections for minors.

> HN will hate this idea due to the genetic fallacy That's extremely condescendingly reductionist. Surely I'm allowed to hate this idea because it's a bad idea.

fair, updated to "Some folks on HN..."

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by orwin »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #73
hellotomyrars wrote: post #67

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I’ll bite. What is the indoctrination the CCP feeding teens over tiktok?

In China, social media is regulated and enforces that children be shown content that is generally related to STEM or other achievements. No stupid dance videos, no memes, no stupid trends - it's "check out this algorithm I wrote!" Many of the top-trending videos on TikTok would actually be banned. Is it malicious? I think so, though not everyone agrees, but the outcome is the same both ways: I would say it is indoctr…

Not chineese, not from the US either, still i installed ticktock roughly 6 month ago and for now, i mostly had science and tech pushed to me. Some with nice music too!

[just read paragraph 2 and 3 from the parent, yeah, sorry for taking it seriously]

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