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Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by Dalewyn »

lukevp wrote: post #65
Dalewyn wrote: post #43

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As I said in my other reply, their lack of governmental identification is by choice. Should they choose to not obtain them even if they have the opportunity, then that is their problem.

What about people with disabilities who wouldn’t be able to get a license, and can’t afford / don’t have a way to travel to get ID at the DMV or whatever? Also, do you think Facebook should have more requirements to access than going to a grocery store or taking a bus or any other infrastructure activity you might do? Almost nothing requires double photo IDs, this requirement is ludicrous regardless of if you happen…

IDs issued by the state are generally free or very close to free as far as I'm aware. State-issued IDs usually have no requirements for issuance other than having residency in that state.

>Almost nothing requires double photo IDs

From experience, anything that is very and truly important has always demanded I produce multiple forms of identification. Usually 2 or more.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by foxyv »

neilv wrote: post #6

> A North Texas Republican wants to ban social media for Texans under the age of 18. But wait, there's more: > State Rep. Jared Patterson, R-Frisco, filed House Bill 896 this week that would require social media users to show two forms of photo identification to verify their age. Now all services considered social media would have to collect two forms of photo ID from all users, if they didn't want to be illegal in T…

It's a WHATTABOUT. You go "Hey, children are starving to death..."

Then they respond: "WHATABOUT the drag shows!"

It has nothing to do with the children, it's just attempting to avoid the fact that they don't want to do anything about all the other actual problems.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

hellotomyrars wrote: post #67
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #42

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Informing themselves, or getting indoctrinated by an app partially owned by the Chinese Communist Party? (When you put it that way, it's an insane idea that we've permitted things to get this far.)

I’ll bite. What is the indoctrination the CCP feeding teens over tiktok?

In China, social media is regulated and enforces that children be shown content that is generally related to STEM or other achievements. No stupid dance videos, no memes, no stupid trends - it's "check out this algorithm I wrote!" Many of the top-trending videos on TikTok would actually be banned.

Is it malicious? I think so, though not everyone agrees, but the outcome is the same both ways: I would say it is indoctrination into stupidity, not an ideology.

Remember, these are the future soldiers who could, potentially, fight China in a Taiwan skirmish. If they only know how to communicate by meme, can't spell anything, have no sense of achievement, and all dream of being YouTube stars, you've won before firing a single shot.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by Dalewyn »

GoOnThenDoTell wrote: post #61
Dalewyn wrote: post #43

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As I said in my other reply, their lack of governmental identification is by choice. Should they choose to not obtain them even if they have the opportunity, then that is their problem.

As I said in my other reply, its too expensive. Are you going to pay for it on their behalf? Additionally, how are you going to handle undocumented persons.

$130 is not "too expensive", especially when it's a one-time expense every 10 years. What level of destitute do you have to be for that to be expensive?

As for illegal aliens, they are illegal. They shouldn't be getting IDs issued by the government in the first place, be it state or federal, and should be deported as they are found.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by LatteLazy »

lostapathy wrote: post #48
LatteLazy wrote: post #31

Texas has no lower limit on the age to possess a firearm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas#Firearms_pos...

Neither do a lot of states.

I was interested so I looked it up. Apparently 42 states set a minimum age for handguns and 21 states have minimum ages for rifles and shotguns

https://maps.everytownresearch.org/navigator/states.html?dat...

Of course, none of them want a minimum age for social media access...

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by [deleted] »

daveslash wrote: post #28
recursivedoubts wrote: post #22

Some folks on HN will hate this idea due to the genetic fallacy, but I think we'll end up feeling about social-media the way we currently feel about smoking: it is something that obviously requires protections for minors.

Well, the idea in the link is total bunk (IMHO), but I agree with you. Social Media's turned out to be something with an ugly side, but Pandora's Box is open now and it's here to stay. I would completely agree that we need some protections for minors. Hell - some protections for all of us! I just have no real, viable, solutions come to mind.

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Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by diag »

scifibestfi wrote: post #60
diag wrote: post #53

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Teens are either far more informed about the world than their parents or completely oblivious to it. Not much in between.

Were you more informed as a teen than you are now as an adult? Or, more likely, when you look back at yourself as a teen do you cringe at what you believed?

I personally wasn't, but I turned 17 during the 2008 financial crisis, so that jump started getting engaged with things.

My sisters are way more aware of the world than I was at the time, for instance. But if you talk to some younger people, you'll find that things are different than even a decade ago for younger people.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by Dalewyn »

nsxwolf wrote: post #70
Dalewyn wrote: post #46

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So? Passports aren't expensive either. EDIT: I looked up the fees, it is $130 USD for a passport book, both for first-time issuance (plus separate fee of $35) and renewals. Most passports are valid for 10 years. That is not expensive, and practically free. Source: https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Pa...

That's expensive to most regular people.

Most people buy thousand dollar smartphones, among other luxuries.

$130 dollars for federally-issued identification that is valid for 10 years is not expensive.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by aplusbi »

Dalewyn wrote: post #43
GoOnThenDoTell wrote: post #38

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Plenty of people only have a SSN card and a birth certificate, as they neither drive (perhaps due to age or preference) or travel by plane (often for financial reasons or preference).

As I said in my other reply, their lack of governmental identification is by choice. Should they choose to not obtain them even if they have the opportunity, then that is their problem.

I doubt I'm going to change your mind on this, but I think you are under-estimating the difficulty of getting ID in certain parts of the country, for certain people. For example, people living on reservations often have difficulty getting ID because the DMV/other agencies are hundreds of miles away, many lack transportation, many lack the necessary documentation required to get the IDs, some states have put legal hurdles in the way (many homes on reservations don't have legal addresses, for example).
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