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Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by 0xffff2 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #35
wlesieutre wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everyone always has access to a state-issued ID card (or driver's license) and a passport issued by the federal government. Most people satisfy the "two forms of identification" requirement found in many situations with them. Most Americans don't have a passport, so that can't possibly be true

That is by choice, and if someone doesn't want to obtain a passport then that's their problem. The opportunity is there, should they wish to pursue it.

Passports aren't free.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

falcolas wrote: post #8
neilv wrote: post #6

> A North Texas Republican wants to ban social media for Texans under the age of 18. But wait, there's more: > State Rep. Jared Patterson, R-Frisco, filed House Bill 896 this week that would require social media users to show two forms of photo identification to verify their age. Now all services considered social media would have to collect two forms of photo ID from all users, if they didn't want to be illegal in T…

> This might not only be about protecting the children. Sadly, it never is about protecting the children. It's always about pushing other agendas that are, at best, tangentially aimed at protecting children. For example, holding back Texan teens (aka Gen Z, who had a huge impact on the recent midterms) from being a part of the broader political discussion; from informing themselves before they're able to vote.

Informing themselves, or getting indoctrinated by an app partially owned by the Chinese Communist Party? (When you put it that way, it's an insane idea that we've permitted things to get this far.)

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by Dalewyn »

GoOnThenDoTell wrote: post #38
Dalewyn wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For some governmental (aka official) examples: * State-issued ID card (aka the lesser equivalent to a driver's license card) * Federal-issued passport * Federal-issued passport card (yes, these are a thing) For some informal examples (if they have a photo): * Company ID card/documentation * Library card * Medical card ---- Everyone always has access to a state-issued ID card (or driver's license) and a passport issue…

Plenty of people only have a SSN card and a birth certificate, as they neither drive (perhaps due to age or preference) or travel by plane (often for financial reasons or preference).

As I said in my other reply, their lack of governmental identification is by choice. Should they choose to not obtain them even if they have the opportunity, then that is their problem.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by Shared404 »

warning26 wrote: post #2

This…actually seems like a good idea, at least in principle. Pretty much all research seems to be more or less unanimous that social media, as bad as it is, is even worse for younger users. My key concern would be that this legislation could effectively outlaw any anonymous account on any website.

I can see the argument, but in TX social media/The Internet are pretty much the only way that many marginalized people have to socialize with each other, as well as the first exposure people get to ideas outside of their parents beliefs.

(Am LGBT raised and living in TX)

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by GoOnThenDoTell »

Dalewyn wrote: post #30
frob wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...two forms of photo ID... I have one valid photo ID. Most people have only one valid photo ID. How is this supposed to work?

For some governmental (aka official) examples: * State-issued ID card (aka the lesser equivalent to a driver's license card) * Federal-issued passport * Federal-issued passport card (yes, these are a thing) For some informal examples (if they have a photo): * Company ID card/documentation * Library card * Medical card ---- Everyone always has access to a state-issued ID card (or driver's license) and a passport issue…

Passports are very expensive though, like hundreds of dollars. They’d have to make them free for this to work

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by Dalewyn »

0xffff2 wrote: post #41
Dalewyn wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is by choice, and if someone doesn't want to obtain a passport then that's their problem. The opportunity is there, should they wish to pursue it.

Passports aren't free.

So? Passports aren't expensive either.

EDIT: I looked up the fees, it is $130 USD for a passport book, both for first-time issuance (plus separate fee of $35) and renewals. Most passports are valid for 10 years. That is not expensive, and practically free.

Source: https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/forms-fees/Pa...

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by GoOnThenDoTell »

version_five wrote: post #29
ivan_gammel wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Show != collect 2. It doesn’t say who should see the ID, could be a specialized and regulated 3rd party as well.

What does this change? If anything, supporting a specialized 3rd party that exists to collect IDs seems even worse

Next up: id.me signs exclusive no-bid contract with Texas

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by warbler73 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #30
frob wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...two forms of photo ID... I have one valid photo ID. Most people have only one valid photo ID. How is this supposed to work?

For some governmental (aka official) examples: * State-issued ID card (aka the lesser equivalent to a driver's license card) * Federal-issued passport * Federal-issued passport card (yes, these are a thing) For some informal examples (if they have a photo): * Company ID card/documentation * Library card * Medical card ---- Everyone always has access to a state-issued ID card (or driver's license) and a passport issue…

> Most people satisfy the "two forms of identification" requirement

53% of US adult citizens have a passport as of 11/22. Most of them have a state ID as well. So yes, a bare majority of citizens will be allowed internet access.

I have never seen a library card or insurance card with a photo id that is accepted as id at all, much less valid id. Do you have examples and if so how common is this in Texas?

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by cloutchaser »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #42
falcolas wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This might not only be about protecting the children. Sadly, it never is about protecting the children. It's always about pushing other agendas that are, at best, tangentially aimed at protecting children. For example, holding back Texan teens (aka Gen Z, who had a huge impact on the recent midterms) from being a part of the broader political discussion; from informing themselves before they're able to vote.

Informing themselves, or getting indoctrinated by an app partially owned by the Chinese Communist Party? (When you put it that way, it's an insane idea that we've permitted things to get this far.)

No idea why you are getting downvoted. It’s a completely legit point. TikTok is actually now run by an ex xaomi exec and party member. Do people really think they don’t put their fingers on the scale?

I guess the same people believed Twitter didn’t either.

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