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That's a nice testimonial, but you do realize that anecdotal evidence is one of the weakest forms of evidence, right?
So personal experience is now anecdotal?
Yes, and always has been.
Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic
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Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic
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That's a nice testimonial, but you do realize that anecdotal evidence is one of the weakest forms of evidence, right?
Let me try this then - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinate... . The data shows that the majority of Covid deaths are from vaccinated people now. Better?
Look up “conditional probability rule”.
Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic
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You might want to read that abstract again because you did not understand it. It says the transmission ratio is 0.50 (i.e., 2x better) vs unvaccinated with two doses of BNT162b2 (that's the Pfizer vaccine, the other one is a research vaccine). As we know now, booster doses are necessary for Delta, and reduce that figure well below 0.50. Furthermore, looking at the main data table in the paper, two-dose BNT162b2 vacci…
I doubt most efficacy claims, because they don't line up with the experiences of most of the people that I know. Most people were vaccinated, most people were boostered, most people contracted covid, many obviousy passed it on. I am not saying that the numbers are wrong, but I am saing that the vaccine was marketed with fancy numbers, that don't mean much in the end, because people get vaccinated, but still get covid…
To be clear what you're saying is that you have stopped disputing the data, but ... oh look over there! hey, who needs data when you have anecdotes?
Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic
#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let me try this then - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinate... . The data shows that the majority of Covid deaths are from vaccinated people now. Better?
Look up “conditional probability rule”.
I wanted to make sure I corrected your claim that this was anecdotal. It's what the actual data says. Most people dying from Covid now are vaccinated. That doesn't mean nobody should get vaccinated. It doesn't mean everyone should get vaccinated. But saying something isn't true that clearly is, isn't helpful. Trust has been eroded enough by "the experts" already.
Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic
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Is this meant to be a snooty response to troll for a reply instead of an actual engagement based on your non elaborated assertions?
> experimental mRNA vaccines may be fairly novel, but the technology is not new. And there are other, more conventional COVID vaccines out there. > rushed How can this argument be made today? The Emergency Use Authorization no longer applies to mRNA vaccines: they're fully approved, and billions of people have been vaccinated. > bullshit And this is just offensive, given the efficacy of COVID vaccines with regard to…
The bottom line is that trust in these institutions is gone not as a result of the media and fearmongering, but the actual controversies, behaviors, and profit motives of these institutions.
As a result, people don't trust the powers that be telling them to get vaxxed or they will die/ lose their job/ be treated as a second class citizen/ be jailed/ etc. These are the things that make people rebel, not fall in line.
Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic
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Dropping the metaphor, absolutely not looking to heckle those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons (those pedestrians unable to be fitted with forcefields). The wilfully unvaccinated (the "ran their car off the road because they perceived (possibly incorrectly) some danger that they were attempting to avoid" group) are making it harder for those that are medically unable and those with chronic health concerns…
The vaccines were never sterilizing. The best estimates I've seen for transmission attenuation are around 15%, primarily due to shortening the duration of being a carrier, with an additional small effect for viral load reduction. Fifteen percent transmission attenuation is a huge contrast to the public health messaging during much of the vaccination campaign, which was that vaccination would invariably protect the vu…
Sources?
Here's mine for Victoria, Australia: https://n.actionsack.com/covidbaseau/status/1570919765191053...
"When 45% of deaths and 30% of hospitalisations are from a (unvaccinated) group which makes up less than 5% of the adult population, the vaccine is clearly doing its job."
Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic
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What term would you prefer for something that just looks ignorant and no other explanation is given for why the person does it even after information has been shared with them?
There are many people much more educated than you in this field of study that chose not to be vaccinated. Are they ignorant or is it you? Leaving this decision up to individuals avoids the worst case scenario, which is species extinction because we acted like lemmings.
You are ignoring that those "many" are a tiny minority among the educated. Cranks are always among us.
Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic
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So personal experience is now anecdotal?
Yes, and always has been.
Then you are easily manipulated.
If you wont confront given information with your real experience, you could easily believe in anything that other says. And covid is exactly this case. How many healthy people died from covid that you personally knew?
Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic
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So... Should we ban alcohol, tobacco, cars and force everyone to wear helmets? Sometimes is just better to not pretend that we are immortal. We forget how to live under the hood of fear from death.
> So... Should we ban alcohol, tobacco, cars and force everyone to wear helmets? All of these things that you mentioned are regulated, some more strictly than others. "ban or permit freely" attitude to them is black-or-white, fallacious thinking. None of what you wrote is on topic or refutes anything that I said above.
Actually it does. If we apply mandatory practices in favor of our health, why don't we absolutely abandon things that clearly damage our health?
Where are you from?
Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic
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> I have a friend who is allergic to many vaccines. A bad reaction as a kid led to him needing years of rehab. He's also high risk for Covid. He's pro-vaccine in general I guess I should add, but his doctor told him to not get the covid shots because the risk was too high Has your friend asked another doctor for a second opinion? It is unlikely that anyone who is allergic to prior vaccines would be allergic to the mR…
My wife is in a similar boat. I'm vaccinated, she is not. We are both very "pro vaccine." But when she was a child she was hospitalized and had a near death experience due an allergic reaction. Our family doctor, the same doctor that recommended that everyone else in our family get vaccinated, told her to err on the side of caution and take other precautions. Why should she not trust the doctor that knows our family…
> Why should she not trust the doctor that knows our family medical history and has taken care of all of us for, in the case of our children, their entire lives?
Because that sounds ridiculous. Unless the allergen that caused your wife's allergic reaction is in the vaccines then there's no additional risk.
Consult with an actual immunologist specialist who has a deep understanding of the physical mechanisms behind allergies and can properly weigh the risks from the prior allergic reaction and the risks posed by vaccines.
The idea that your GP somehow is better informed than a specialist through having been with you all your lives is very poor logic.