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The Twitter Files Part 2: Twitter's Secret Blacklists

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Post by philjohn »

oska wrote: post #416
nrki wrote: post #395

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Come now, this could be verified with evidence. I'm sure these actions exist in a database and email trail. Musk could release the evidence himself, or use an actual journalistic process and have someone impartial review it. But there is none, and so he hides behind his disdain of "the MSM" and posts yes/no answers to leading questions that only serve to rile up his base.

Your comment seems to me to be full of bad faith. > use an actual journalistic process There is a journalistic process being followed - two established journalists have been given comprehensive access to internal files and are documenting what they have found, while putting their discoveries in context. Elon is also promising that these files will be released publicly for other journalists and the interested public t…

Handpicking journalists, and then laying down requirements for them to follow, vs something like the Panama papers where every news agency was granted access. Those things are not the same.

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Post by philjohn »

scifibestfi wrote: post #8
IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #6

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Well, first of all, “tweets” don’t “trend”. Terms do. So this description feels off, already. Next, I wonder, but don’t care enough to look it up, if this guy is adequately summarized by only mentioning his concern for children? Screw that, I did look him up: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bhattacharya#COVID-19_pa... . He was one of the people behind the “Great” Barrington Declaration and, kn the early months of…

He's a Dr. and a Stanford professor of medicine. The Great Barrington Declaration was signed by almost a million doctors. They were warning about the harm lockdowns would do to kids and they were correct. Even if they weren't, this would still be unacceptable.

Sounds like appeal to authority, a logical fallacy.

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Post by philjohn »

stale2002 wrote: post #217
etchalon wrote: post #96

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EVERY social network has a "secret" blacklist. Every. single. one.

So then the problem is worse than people thought. I am glad that you agree that this is such a huge problem, and it is a good thing that now more people are away of how extensive it is.

Guess what, Hacker News does too.

Try working in integrity for a few years, you'll realise why these things are necessary, because people just won't stop being jerks.

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Post by quadrifoliate »

oska wrote: post #350
quadrifoliate wrote: post #239

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You are using phrases like "blacklisting doctors" and "censorship" while discussing (essentially) a message board that is used to sell advertisements. I don't think that's a reasonable position. Twitter is a private company that wants to sell advertisements by enabling people to have happy conversations. Fundamentally, they are going to optimize for that, and not whatever high-minded ideals of censorship that we hold…

> Twitter is a private company that wants to sell advertisements by enabling people to have happy conversations. No, Twitter's mission statement is "to give everyone the power to create and share ideas and information instantly without barriers" [1] Nothing in there about 'happy conversations' and, while selling advertising has been and may continue to be a means to fund this mission, it is not part of their mission.…

Enron's company values were "Respect, Integrity, Communication and Excellence". https://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/19/opinion/enron-s-vision-an...

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Post by yucky »

etchalon wrote: post #126
yucky wrote: post #42

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There was data to suggest that. The data that suggested that was linked in the article you posted: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm?s_cid=mm...

From your link "Estimated mRNA vaccine effectiveness for prevention of infection, adjusted for study site, was 90% for full immunization"

Does 90% equal 100% now?

Her statement was false, even based on the limited data set you're referencing. It's even more false now.

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Post by yucky »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #125

I have been responsible a bit of content moderation myself, and interacted with mods on various forums. It's possible that this is responsible for some of my views, summarized here. - The "secret" aspect of all this can be largely ignored. Twitter is under no obligation to tell its users exactly how their Tweets are moderated. I am sure most moderation tools are secret, including whatever Twitter (or for that matter,…

    > Preventing a post from showing up in trends or searches is not a shadow ban. Google SafeSearch does not "shadow ban" explicit images or links.
Safesearch is an adjustable setting, is that really a good analogy for this?

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Post by afavour »

propogandist wrote: post #406
afavour wrote: post #170

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> If that button does allow ability to read DM, Twitter employees have surely abused that for ages without repercussions. How many employees have access to the tool? Do all users see that button? Seems pretty likely they’d have tiered access levels, no? What if access to user DMs was a hugely restricted piece of functionality and Musk just said “screw it” and gave it to two non-employees on a whim? You’re writing off…

Twitter employees were seen bragging about this long ago, as exposed by Project Veritas - https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/16010371927882915... you are pushing fake news to distract from the core abuses, all to protect liberal interests

You’re running some tired schtick here. How is what I said “fake news”? If Musk opened up DM access to two non-employees that is a huge legal liability. You haven’t actually countered that point with anything, you’ve just waffled.

You’ve also not explained why an audience like HN is incapable of discussing multiple issues in a discussion forum. Do you really think everyone here is so dumb?

Let’s be real here: you don’t want any discussion that strays from the talking points dished out by Weiss because such discussion would show her talking points are largely nonsense. The Twitter Files is a house of cards but as long as the right people keep saying it isn’t the audience will keep huffing it like glue.

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Post by user3939382 »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #319
user3939382 wrote: post #280

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What the congressmen did was illegal on their part. What Twitter did was at best unethical, but ironically, severely tampering with our election which the fake left seemed to be so upset about. The tweets weren’t propaganda, some of them were about Joe Biden being involved in illegal deals with eg China. The source information for this, his sons laptop, has been verified as authentic by for example the Washington Pos…

> What Twitter did was at best unethical, but ironically, severely tampering with our election… Huh? Twitter does not administer US elections last I checked. I am sure people could read this hugely consequential information you're claiming on Reddit, 4chan, OANN, AM radio, Fox News, the Wall Street Journal, or various other outlets that right-leaning voters typically seem to use. In fact, I seem to recall all of thos…

If the story circulating on all the major social media platforms didn't make a difference they wouldn't have suppressed it.

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Post by nickthegreek »

remarkEon wrote: post #301
dmamills wrote: post #198

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It's your definition that is misunderstood, not the oxymoron. > Shadow banning, also called stealth banning, hellbanning, ghost banning or comment ghosting, is the practice of blocking or partially blocking a user or the user's content from some areas of an online community in such a way that the ban is not readily apparent to the user https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning

Okay. I guess I'm saying that I think it's dumb when you don't tell the user that their account is in this state.

HN doesnt tell you the state of your account. In fact, I don't know of any service that says that they do.

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Post by [deleted] »

wa_throwaway wrote: post #345
quadrifoliate wrote: post #125

I have been responsible a bit of content moderation myself, and interacted with mods on various forums. It's possible that this is responsible for some of my views, summarized here. - The "secret" aspect of all this can be largely ignored. Twitter is under no obligation to tell its users exactly how their Tweets are moderated. I am sure most moderation tools are secret, including whatever Twitter (or for that matter,…

WhatsApp has a similar internal dashboard for moderation/managing abuse. WhatsApp is E2E encrypted, so it's entirely based on visible user-actions. I'm sure Snapchat, TikTok, Tumblr, YouTube, Pornhub end others that have any moderation tools are in the same boat. There is no smoking gun here, despite the breathlessness from some quarters (including Musk himself[1]). That "Show DMs" link did send chills down my spine…

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