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The Twitter Files Part 2: Twitter's Secret Blacklists

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> Twitter is working on a software update that will show your true account status, so you know clearly if you’ve been shadowbanned, the reason why and how to appeal https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1601042125130371072

> so you know clearly if you’ve been shadowbanned

A shadowban that the user clearly knows about sounds like an oxymoron.

Re: The Twitter Files Part 2: Twitter's Secret Blacklists

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> Twitter is working on a software update that will show your true account status, so you know clearly if you’ve been shadowbanned, the reason why and how to appeal https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1601042125130371072

Depriving features of their core purpose seems to be the Musk M.O. to date, starting with paid checkmarks that then forced creation of Official tags. Making shadowbans not shadowbans means there's no real reason to have them at all. So just get rid of them?

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post #140

I have been responsible a bit of content moderation myself, and interacted with mods on various forums. It's possible that this is responsible for some of my views, summarized here. - The "secret" aspect of all this can be largely ignored. Twitter is under no obligation to tell its users exactly how their Tweets are moderated. I am sure most moderation tools are secret, including whatever Twitter (or for that matter,…

> The "secret" aspect of all this can be largely ignored. I bet you would not like for your comment here to be secretly removed. In fact, many users are shocked to discover when this happens, as I share here [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916519

Reddit and HN are...not Twitter? Guess which one of the three is regularly used by Taylor Swift.

The big difference is that Twitter links are routinely used by journalists and such who will notice and specifically call out Tweets as being deleted. A shadow ban / hellban on Twitter would be much more easily noticed by the media.

On the other hand, no one in the media to a rounding error cares about shadow bans on Reddit or HN.

Re: The Twitter Files Part 2: Twitter's Secret Blacklists

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> Twitter is working on a software update that will show your true account status, so you know clearly if you’ve been shadowbanned, the reason why and how to appeal https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1601042125130371072

> so you know clearly if you’ve been shadowbanned A shadowban that the user clearly knows about sounds like an oxymoron.

I assumed shadow banning was invented for forums to hide low quality users without giving them a signal to create a new account.

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#146

The American philosopher John Rawls had this interesting concept "Veil of Ignorance"[1]. It basically says that only when you don't know who you are will you think clearly about the social justice. That is, pick whichever principles you think the society should stick to, but do so only when you don't know in which position you'll end up being. So, you can think that the justice is killing the damn riches so you can l…

Yes.

Random thought; This would likley make for a fun board game concept.

Players are tasked with design societal rules.. and then woops, spin the dice and are now confronted by the rules they set for themselves.

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Transparently removing content is the normal way to moderate a forum. This research [1] suggests it reduces mod workload because users learn the rules. Discourse doesn't secretly remove content and is popular. It isn't accurate to say secrecy increases site quality. No such qualitative study has been done. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/duwdco/should_mode...

That's talking about article submissions, not comments. Couldn't read the PDF because the link is broken. More than 95% of the time I see a flagged account on HN, they post complete garbage that leads to more flaming replies if not removed promptly. HN has a very limited set of moderators, like one or two, who cannot police every comment 24/7. >Discourse doesn't secretly remove content and is popular. Popular where?…

https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3359252

You could have just use the menu to find it, it only took a few seconds. There's a preprint available there if you need it. https://shagunjhaver.com/research/

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Do understand that if/when you get banned from here it will because you're being rude and disrespectful. Not because we are all trying to push some left wing agenda.

> you're being rude and disrespectful.

I don't see any of that in the above comment. Did they edit it to make it less so?

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post #120

Why is anyone surprised that the major/globally operating social media companies have extensive internal systems for controlling the content that appears via their platforms? Irrespective of whether or not you agree with individual decisions, the fact that such systems exist should not be a surprise. These companies operate within legal frameworks across multiple jurisdictions that have endless variations of restrict…

I think it’s because they said repeatedly they were doing no such thing.

Re: The Twitter Files Part 2: Twitter's Secret Blacklists

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> Twitter is working on a software update that will show your true account status, so you know clearly if you’ve been shadowbanned, the reason why and how to appeal https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1601042125130371072

It sounds desirable but we shouldn't have to rely on whoever's in charge. Elon could say he's no longer shadow moderating and simply swap out who gets moderated. Or, if he really does get rid of it, the next guy could quietly bring it all back.

We should be building external systems that can check the visibility of our own content. It can be done with an extension, for example.

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