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The Twitter Files Part 2: Twitter's Secret Blacklists

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"New Twitter policy is freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach.

Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted & demonetized, so no ads or other revenue to Twitter.

You won’t find the tweet unless you specifically seek it out, which is no different from rest of Internet."

How is this any different than Elon's stated goals from 3 weeks ago?

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"New Twitter policy is freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted & demonetized, so no ads or other revenue to Twitter. You won’t find the tweet unless you specifically seek it out, which is no different from rest of Internet." How is this any different than Elon's stated goals from 3 weeks ago?

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Re: The Twitter Files Part 2: Twitter's Secret Blacklists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, first of all, “tweets” don’t “trend”. Terms do. So this description feels off, already. Next, I wonder, but don’t care enough to look it up, if this guy is adequately summarized by only mentioning his concern for children? Screw that, I did look him up: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bhattacharya#COVID-19_pa... . He was one of the people behind the “Great” Barrington Declaration and, kn the early months of…

All of that is irrelevant. Twitter had a secret blacklist. Gross behavior from a gross company.

Why is that gross? It's their speech to decide what they want to promote or not promote. Why are you anti-free speech?

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Twitter calls it "visibility filtering" [1]

Facebook gives mods a "Hide comment" button [2]

TikTok calls it "visible to self" [3] [4]

Truth Social does it [5] [6] [7]

Reddit shows all removed comments to authors as if they're publicly visible [8]

Open source tools are built to do it [9] [10]

Textbooks advocate "disguise a gag or ban" [11]

I call it Shadow Moderation [12]. The system intentionally does not show users the ways in which their content has been actioned. The solution is simple— provide users with the same view that the moderating system has. Whenever their content has been actioned, let users see it.

It may be the result of two groups who fail to connect. Those who don't want any censorship at all, and those who want disinformation to be handled by the platform. If there is no olive branch and no concession made between these two positions, then platform designers may seek to satisfy both by secretly actioning content.

If there is now wide understanding that this happens everywhere, maybe we have a chance to build a platform whose express goal is to not withhold censorship actions from the author of the content.

[1] https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1601014175366402048

[2] https://www.agorapulse.com/blog/hide-comments-on-facebook/#o...

[3] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/sep/25/revealed-...

[4] https://netzpolitik.org/2019/cheerfulness-and-censorship/

[5] https://www.tiktok.com/@cheyenne.l.hunt/video/71115053899502...

[6] https://www.citizen.org/article/truth-cant-handle-the-truth/...

[7] https://www.tiktok.com/@cheyenne.l.hunt/video/71118581026385...

[8] https://www.reddit.com/r/CantSayAnything/comments/zdubov/wri...

[9] https://getstream.io/blog/feature-announcement-shadow-ban/

[10] https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-shadowban/85041

[11] https://kraut.hciresearch.info/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/ki...

[12] https://cantsayanything.win/2022-10-transparent-moderation/

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Am I right in believing that the only supporting evidence (and this is very weak evidence) for this claim in the two parts so far is that Twitter employees donated more money to Democrats than Republicans? Has there been any other evidence that enforcement was biased? In this latest story, Weiss said the teams were handling hundreds of cases per day and then gave a total of four right-wing examples.

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It would be useful to have a somewhat in-depth visual of Twitter's engineering architecture along with an explanation of exactly where in the system these 'visibility filters' were implemented. There's also mention of an 'amplification block' which makes one wonder just how natural the phenomenon of a post 'going viral' really was in the past.

Twitter claimed to be a user-driven platform (not counting bots of course) where user actions would dictate what was popular and what went viral, but now there are some questions about just how controlled such events were. Questions like "How much of the this was stage-managed?" and "How much was bot-driven?" deserve answers.

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"New Twitter policy is freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted & demonetized, so no ads or other revenue to Twitter. You won’t find the tweet unless you specifically seek it out, which is no different from rest of Internet." How is this any different than Elon's stated goals from 3 weeks ago?

You're right it's not. I gather if you want to get two sides to talk who aren't talking, i.e. those who support that message vs. those who don't, you need to appeal to both.

Re: The Twitter Files Part 2: Twitter's Secret Blacklists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of that is irrelevant. Twitter had a secret blacklist. Gross behavior from a gross company.

Why is that gross? It's their speech to decide what they want to promote or not promote. Why are you anti-free speech?

It's not trustworthy when a system actions a user's content without telling them. Free speech principles are also a thing.

The question is not what is getting demoted, it's how. In this case, it's being done secretly, and Twitter isn't the only one doing it:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916414

Re: The Twitter Files Part 2: Twitter's Secret Blacklists

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post #24

Twitter calls it "visibility filtering" [1] Facebook gives mods a "Hide comment" button [2] TikTok calls it "visible to self" [3] [4] Truth Social does it [5] [6] [7] Reddit shows all removed comments to authors as if they're publicly visible [8] Open source tools are built to do it [9] [10] Textbooks advocate "disguise a gag or ban" [11] I call it Shadow Moderation [12]. The system intentionally does not show users…

>If there is now wide understanding that this happens everywhere, maybe we have a chance to build a platform whose express goal is to not withhold censorship actions from the author of the content.

I want to know what rock people have been living under all this time, that this sort of thing is news to them.

Re: The Twitter Files Part 2: Twitter's Secret Blacklists

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of that is irrelevant. Twitter had a secret blacklist. Gross behavior from a gross company.

A “secret blacklist” that’s been known forever, or at least for two years: https://twitter.com/dancow/status/1601017194456186881?s=20&t...

... and I've worked on Reveddit for four years. Less than 1% of Redditors know that all removed comments are secretly removed.

It's hard to make people care about this stuff. Most of us only start to see the harm of something when it's shown in context. Just showing that something can be theoretically harmful isn't enough.

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