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But the virus sees unvaccinated and vaccinated hosts, so these scenarios are not comparable. A person with full vision can see 100% of the street, while a blind person sees 0%. We cannot even quantify the vaccine's level of protection against transmission with some certainty, but it is certainly not 100% vs 0%. To me it looks more like 51% vs. 49%.
> while a blind person sees 0% For most blind people this is not correct.
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Good point, and now that we know the vaccines don't prevent transmission, the same goes for the vaccinated I suppose.
They do prevent transmission. God, I wish misinformation would not spread so easily. (Edit: I'm a biochemist, merely relaying a consensus position, in my area of expertise, and getting downvoted. Nice.)
My frustration is people will look at "decreases mortality by xx%" or "decreases spread by y%" and conclude that it's not worth taking even when the risks are slim to non existent.
Hacker News is a place where we talk about billion dollar industries that are built on someone doing something 2% better than the other guy, but all that reason goes out the window when it comes to healthcare and it's killing hundreds of thousands of people.
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Why would avoiding the covid vaccine mean someone doesn't care about the safety of others?
The fact that you even asked this question speaks volumes. Vaccines provide herd immunity. It’s not like bullet proof armour that only protects the wearer! We all need to get it for the population to be protected. You getting more sick because you’re unvaccinated means you spread it to others. Babies. The elderly. The immune compromised. And so on. What I don't understand is how it's possible to be two years into a p…
Are there places where herd immunity was achieved due to vaccination?
So everyone on HN feels like the unvaccinated are part of an oppressed caste? I really don't understand the comments I am reading here. There are large groups of people who are unvaccinated by choice, not because of genuine health concerns. A friend of mine is unable to get vaccinated due to serious health concerns, and she is furious that do many people refuse to get it, as it continues to prevent her from living a…
As someone who has a vaccine and all the available boosters. They are absolutely maligned and their freedoms were unreasonably restricted.
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In my age+health cohort, the known and documented risks of the vaccines outweigh the known risks of COVID-19, but you assume “bad reasons” because it’s not a religious objection or medical contraindication. What makes your risk calculus any more valid than mine? I would go so far as to say it’s anti-science to lump 99% of the vaccine rejectors as “uninformed”. I’d venture the average mechanistic knowledge of these pr…
My risk calculus is informed by over 12 years of postsecondary education (and expertise) in the biomedical field, and by deferral to expertise on complex issues.
> One of the great commandments of science is, “Mistrust arguments from authority.” (Scientists, being primates, and thus given to dominance hierarchies, of course do not always follow this commandment). Too many such arguments have proved too painfully wrong. Authorities must prove their contentions like everybody else.
What surprised me the most was just how vicious and cruel the people in my life could be towards the unvaccinated. It went beyond mere schadenfreude. Many of my otherwise tolerant and empathetic friends eagerly ate up any and all news about anti-vaxxers suffering or even outright dying. I don't know how much of this was a result of them getting caught up in the social media bandwagon (Twitter, r/HermanCainAward) or b…
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It's been done for ages for the flu. The flu vaccines are also only mitigations not immunities.
Do you have the same feelings towards the flu vaccine?
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Good point, and now that we know the vaccines don't prevent transmission, the same goes for the vaccinated I suppose.
They do prevent transmission. God, I wish misinformation would not spread so easily. (Edit: I'm a biochemist, merely relaying a consensus position, in my area of expertise, and getting downvoted. Nice.)
"...what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission. So if you're going home to somebody who has not been vaccinated, somebody who can't get vaccinated... I would suggest you wear a mask in a public indoor setting"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-director-covid-...
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Look at the COVID death rates of the vaccinated vs unvaccinated.
Can you bridge that gap with vaccine deaths?
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In my age+health cohort, the known and documented risks of the vaccines outweigh the known risks of COVID-19, but you assume “bad reasons” because it’s not a religious objection or medical contraindication. What makes your risk calculus any more valid than mine? I would go so far as to say it’s anti-science to lump 99% of the vaccine rejectors as “uninformed”. I’d venture the average mechanistic knowledge of these pr…
You have a 1/100000 chance of a usually minor condition. Some have a 1/10 chance of dying from COVID. It's your right to avoid the vaccine. It's also moral to prevent you from mixing with the elderly.