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Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by 7e »

smoldesu wrote: post #2

> At this time, Warp continues to require login. I don't want to stoke the flames again, but even VS Code doesn't force you to log-in. Microsoft knows that blocking you from using basic functionality of a free app is a bad user experience. It's good that you're letting people opt-in to a more private experience, but that was hardly the largest problem I could see the last time this was brought up. From where I'm stan…

I agree, this is fruit fly startup which will eventually fail. I can’t believe anyone could think this would be successful. It might do something interesting before it dies, though.

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by NegativeLatency »

smoldesu wrote: post #13
0xdeadfa65 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the very thoughtful comment. The required login I think is enough to scare me off. Which is a shame. It’s the first time I’ve heard of this terminal and the features listed intrigue me enough to want to explore more.

If you're just looking to pimp your terminal and sand off some of the edges, fish is a great shell replacement to try: https://github.com/fish-shell/fish-shell A lot of Mac users either don't know they're using zsh by default now or simply don't take advantage of it's scripting language/featureset. For those people, I think fish makes a compelling upgrade. No log-in, just a slightly nicer interactive terminal prompt.

As someone who previously used a very customized zsh, switching to fish was great: reliable, fast, low config, etc

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by firstSpeaker »

smoldesu wrote: post #13
0xdeadfa65 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the very thoughtful comment. The required login I think is enough to scare me off. Which is a shame. It’s the first time I’ve heard of this terminal and the features listed intrigue me enough to want to explore more.

If you're just looking to pimp your terminal and sand off some of the edges, fish is a great shell replacement to try: https://github.com/fish-shell/fish-shell A lot of Mac users either don't know they're using zsh by default now or simply don't take advantage of it's scripting language/featureset. For those people, I think fish makes a compelling upgrade. No log-in, just a slightly nicer interactive terminal prompt.

Fish is a shell, warp is a terminal emulator. So even if someone uses fish they still need a terminal emulator; e.g. iTerm2 or Terminal.app. Am I missing something?

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by mindslight »

whatshisface wrote: post #14
mindslight wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, what the actual fuck? Have enough developers really been conditioned to accept surveillance and pervasive centralized control that someone thought this was a good idea? The fact that the telemetry code even exists is a problem - both in case of a bug that turns it on, and what it says about the proclivities of its developers. It's utterly inappropriate to refer to this as "the Rust-based terminal", as if t…

Scrolling through their website it looks like they are offering an enterprise terminal that's not meant for personal use.

Same thing with the underlying business case for Intel/AMD's ME/PSP backdoors, and locked down computing in general. Yet we all now have to suffer their existence on every performant CPU made in the past decade.

If software developers had a professional oath to do no harm akin to doctors, creating such systems would be professional malpractice. Some lines just shouldn't be crossed.

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by rekoil »

7e wrote: post #18
zachlloyd wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zach from Warp here. Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. Re: login, I get the concern and we are exploring product options that let folks preview warp without login. From a product perspective our goal is to make the terminal cloud-native and have a way of facilitating collaboration, and it's not really possible to build that without user identity. Specifically, login allows us to build cloud-oriented features that m…

One can have identity without centralization; look at PKI. I don’t need to create an account with some website in order to use SSH.

Yeah look at how things like Brave and DuckDuckGo do it.

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by smoldesu »

zachlloyd wrote: post #12
smoldesu wrote: post #2

> At this time, Warp continues to require login. I don't want to stoke the flames again, but even VS Code doesn't force you to log-in. Microsoft knows that blocking you from using basic functionality of a free app is a bad user experience. It's good that you're letting people opt-in to a more private experience, but that was hardly the largest problem I could see the last time this was brought up. From where I'm stan…

Zach from Warp here. Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. Re: login, I get the concern and we are exploring product options that let folks preview warp without login. From a product perspective our goal is to make the terminal cloud-native and have a way of facilitating collaboration, and it's not really possible to build that without user identity. Specifically, login allows us to build cloud-oriented features that m…

Thanks for responding, it's good that you're thinking about these problems.

> I feel pretty strongly that the terminal ought to be cloud-native

This seems like an oxymoron to me. A terminal is not cloud-native; it does network with the host machine, but a local shell is inherently local. If you've built the cloud part first, then you're building this product in reverse.

You're welcome to explore whatever avenues please you, but I'm not convinced there's much business to be found in cloud-native local shells.

> configuration issues, we are trying as fast as we can to fix them.

No sweat, I don't actually use Warp. This isn't a legitimate concern for me to level, just an example of the infinite treadmill of issues that you need to solve in a closed-source project. If alacritty has a configuration issue, the community fixes it. The way you've structured your project makes it extremely hard for your community to help you here.

> We are 100% planning on bringing warp to more platforms as fast as we can.

I wish you luck, it's hard work carving out a market segment of your own. I look forward to how your future features stack up against other terminals.

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by arberx »

zachlloyd wrote: post #12
smoldesu wrote: post #2

> At this time, Warp continues to require login. I don't want to stoke the flames again, but even VS Code doesn't force you to log-in. Microsoft knows that blocking you from using basic functionality of a free app is a bad user experience. It's good that you're letting people opt-in to a more private experience, but that was hardly the largest problem I could see the last time this was brought up. From where I'm stan…

Zach from Warp here. Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. Re: login, I get the concern and we are exploring product options that let folks preview warp without login. From a product perspective our goal is to make the terminal cloud-native and have a way of facilitating collaboration, and it's not really possible to build that without user identity. Specifically, login allows us to build cloud-oriented features that m…

You should make users CHOOSE to provide their login/identity by giving them features that improve the experience: e.g, synchronized settings across all terminal sessions.

It should be optional.

Re: Telemetry is now optional in Warp

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Post by smoldesu »

firstSpeaker wrote: post #23
smoldesu wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're just looking to pimp your terminal and sand off some of the edges, fish is a great shell replacement to try: https://github.com/fish-shell/fish-shell A lot of Mac users either don't know they're using zsh by default now or simply don't take advantage of it's scripting language/featureset. For those people, I think fish makes a compelling upgrade. No log-in, just a slightly nicer interactive terminal prompt.

Fish is a shell, warp is a terminal emulator. So even if someone uses fish they still need a terminal emulator; e.g. iTerm2 or Terminal.app. Am I missing something?

Yep! fish and iTerm2 make a wonderful pair on MacOS, it's my go-to combo. My larger point is that you can add nice features to your terminal without adding cloud logins or shady proprietary clients.
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