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Re: CircleCI Layoffs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Engineers aren't generally setting the priorities on what gets fixed when or what the business is actually offering. The complacency problem is usually in management. Can't speak for how CCI is run, but that's how it is at most places with more than 10 people.

Engineers choose who to work for. We go through these cycles where “I have no idea how they make money but they keep paying me” stops working. There’s only so long you can work for a company that doesn’t have a viable business strategy. I don’t expect engineers to fix the business strategy, but I expect them to consider it when choosing to join a company or to stay.

> I don’t expect engineers to fix the business strategy, but I expect them to consider it when choosing to join a company or to stay.

For many companies, you cannot be qualified to make this determination.

Let's say I interview at a farming tech startup. They tell me that there are X million farms in america, and Y million have told them they want the crop software they're building. How do I make that determination of whether this is a viable business strategy? I'm not a farmer, I do not know enough farmers operating large farms to gather that data myself, I have to trust the company to represent this truthfully.

This even applies to things like CircleCI, where the product is something an engineer can understand well. I know what tools I as an individual developer use, but CircleCI is targeting enterprises, which I decidedly am not. I have no clue how some enterprise shop works. Again, I have to trust how the business present itself.

Re: CircleCI Layoffs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being downvoted for telling people exactly why they got laid off. It's time to wake the fuck up engineers. When you complacently don't pay attention to your business and core offering, this is what happens.

Engineers aren't generally setting the priorities on what gets fixed when or what the business is actually offering. The complacency problem is usually in management. Can't speak for how CCI is run, but that's how it is at most places with more than 10 people.

> Engineers aren't generally setting the priorities on what gets fixed

A good engineer would be like: “f—k it, I fixed it.” And the priorities would then get shifted around it.

Identifying when this is the right time to act and fixing it often makes the engineer gain seniority.

(Yes, it only works when both business and tech are broken. If it’s just the tech broken, then engineer will probably get pipped for working on wrong thing)

Re: CircleCI Layoffs

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Are there tax implications? Do the laptops count as losses CircleCI can write off, and compensation the ex-employee has to report?

Laptops aren’t typically amortized and are immediately written off and depreciated the year of purchase. So it’s probably not a tax write off but is a loss of whatever the laptops would get in bankruptcy liquidation.

This depends on the size of the company. It probably doesn't affect CircleCI but Section 179 deductions are limited to small and midsize companies.

Re: CircleCI Layoffs

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With these non-IPO companies doing layoffs is the correct way to read these announcements "we are letting people go to lower expenses because we are not profitable and are actually at risk of running out of money" or is it more "we are letting people go to lower expenses because our investors are asking that we look better on paper because they would like us to have a liquidity exit event (acquisition, private equity…

All of the above. Suppose you have a company with no money, but with a bank willing to loan you money at market rate. You can do three projects, one costs $1 mil, and after a year brings you $1.5 mil in profit, the second costs $1 mil and brings $1.05 mil after a year, and the third costs $1 mil and brings $1.01 mil. In 2021 interest rates were near zero, so all three projects would have given you a profit. The worst…

so you make this assumption that these companies laying off mostly fund their business with short-term bank loans? really?

Re: CircleCI Layoffs

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I don't want to turn a discussion surrounding layoffs into a lens about the business itself; it sucks to be laid off, and I wish everyone who was impacted great expediency in finding a new role. But I'm going to anyway: I genuinely don't understand how CircleCI is still a business. Every major code repository provider has CI built in. All of the ones I've interacted with (Github Actions & Gitlab) are just as good as…

When GHA has decent instance sizes I imagine they'll eat a lot of CCIs lunches. The automatic test splitting is also a god send for parallelising builds.

Github Actions now has up-to 64-core Linux and Windows instances.

Re: CircleCI Layoffs

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What's the context behind this? I've used CircleCI at many jobs, and I guess people must have moved on to some better tool? What's the better tool?

> What's the context behind this? From the article: > Right now, however, there is a ripple effect of uncertainty in our sector. Since the start of Q4, we’ve seen a dramatic shift in how every company’s performance is evaluated. Companies were once praised for growth at all costs. Very rapidly, market expectations have shifted. The emphasis now is on maximizing efficiency. It sounds like they are cowardly using the G…

Just about everyone is being more cautious about headcount and even if they're not net shrinking their workforce, they're looking harder at what people are working on.

Re: CircleCI Layoffs

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With these non-IPO companies doing layoffs is the correct way to read these announcements "we are letting people go to lower expenses because we are not profitable and are actually at risk of running out of money" or is it more "we are letting people go to lower expenses because our investors are asking that we look better on paper because they would like us to have a liquidity exit event (acquisition, private equity…

I suspect it has a lot to do with the rate at which companies can borrow money.

did circleci borrow any money? I know they raised $315mil, and none of the smaller companies I've ever worked for have ever borrowed anything.

Re: CircleCI Layoffs

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I feel bad for the employees. Does anyone... actually like CircleCI? Last time I used it, it just felt way too opinionated. Then they introduced their way of standardizing jobs with templates or something (it has been a while) and for some reason made the decision that any templates had to be public instead of private for the first version (which was completely backwards). Personally for me I always lean towards Jenk…

I'm a former CircleCI employee (I left the company almost a year ago), and I generally really liked the product.

It's probably a little overpriced, and I wish they had just focused on "doing the same thing but better" rather than spending a lot of efforts on value-add gimmicks, but I do like the core product very much.

Re: CircleCI Layoffs

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I don't want to turn a discussion surrounding layoffs into a lens about the business itself; it sucks to be laid off, and I wish everyone who was impacted great expediency in finding a new role. But I'm going to anyway: I genuinely don't understand how CircleCI is still a business. Every major code repository provider has CI built in. All of the ones I've interacted with (Github Actions & Gitlab) are just as good as…

You're being downvoted for telling people exactly why they got laid off. It's time to wake the fuck up engineers. When you complacently don't pay attention to your business and core offering, this is what happens.

> exactly why they got laid off

not really. A circleci pm down a few threads mentions its not caused by any available numbers. Another observation is that currently even perfectly healthy, focused and money-making businesses with solid products (e.g. stripe) also do layoffs.

As for circle, it's ok. I switched our thing to it from internal Jenkins, it has its ups and downs, not the worst in my experience.

Re: CircleCI Layoffs

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I don't want to turn a discussion surrounding layoffs into a lens about the business itself; it sucks to be laid off, and I wish everyone who was impacted great expediency in finding a new role. But I'm going to anyway: I genuinely don't understand how CircleCI is still a business. Every major code repository provider has CI built in. All of the ones I've interacted with (Github Actions & Gitlab) are just as good as…

I thought CircleCI offered iOS builds which neither Github or Bitbucket did in the past (maybe they do now?)
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