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Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by TigeriusKirk » Wed, Dec 07, 2022, 10:07 PM UTC

bradneuberg wrote: post #190

ipaddr wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BBS meetups weren't really like that. You had young/old mismatched people who could communicate because life wasn't online back then.

I remember being a young 14 year old going to BBS meetups full of big bearded Unix and radio wizards, was definitely awkward AF.

Our BBS meetups ("bashes" in our lingo) were a wide range of outside the mainstream people.

Teenagers with nerdish interests (me and my crowd), hippie physicists from the local university, BDSM people, swingers (a lot of swingers, probably party people by nature), a few Hitler-was-right Nazis here and there, some pagan types, conspiracy theorists, gay & lesbian folks, and on and on. There was a some overlap in the crowds, and at the bashes everyone mixed and matched just fine. Fun was had by all.

I later dated someone from those bashes for a few years, and a couple of people from back then are good friends to this day. Still in touch with a few more, all of whom are doing interesting things.

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by BlueTemplar » Wed, Dec 07, 2022, 10:12 PM UTC

woodruffw wrote: post #10

I thought this sounded familiar, and sure enough[1]. Edit: To make it explicit, which Palladium notably fails to do: this person is a reactionary and has a history of encouraging young girls to commit suicide. [1]: https://web3isgoinggreat.com/?id=founder-of-milady-nft-proje...

Here's some anti-Palladium then :

https://mcrumps.substack.com/

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by mkeeter » Wed, Dec 07, 2022, 10:14 PM UTC

BWStearns wrote: post #71

I like the piece. The tone kinda gives me the same vibes as Neil Strauss' The Game (vibe heavy anthropology trip into the distasteful, or at least unnerving, subculture). The part at the very end about the internet people winning is the part that freaks me out (and drives my own middlingly unhealthy doom-scrolling). Just the other day I saw Curtis Yarvin is now some minor Rasputin figure for Peter Thiel, and I couldn…

Ironically, Palladium magazine (which published this article) itself is backed by Peter Thiel, and is... not unsympathetic to that worldview.

For example, "Science Needs Sovereigns": https://www.palladiummag.com/2022/10/03/science-needs-sovere...

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by sverona » Wed, Dec 07, 2022, 10:15 PM UTC

pixl97 wrote: post #37

causi wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone could use my writing style to link my online identities together. How does that help them doxx me when there is nothing written under my real name?

See, here's the problem with the internet, you have to assume your data is out there forever. You may have fastidiously ensured that your personal information has been posted as of today, but it doesn't matter, one mistake tomorrow and the entire house of cards collapses. Lets say you borrow your dads computer to post and it's logged in under his name. You log into a site with an incognito browser and post a message…

That's at least two mistakes and a shocking number of inferences which are all but impossible without prior knowledge.

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by macNchz » Wed, Dec 07, 2022, 10:28 PM UTC

Ensorceled wrote: post #158

I grew up a geek in a rural area, learning how to filter conversations for your audience was a critical skill. Topics and conversational style amongst my D&D group was very different than amongst my other high school classmates and very different than when at my summer jobs. This is just an article about people who never learned that skill. I'm reminded of a few moments in my life that drove this home ... A coworker…

We were introduced to the concept of "self monitoring"^ in social psychology classes in college, which attempts to describe this phenomenon.

Reading about it was a bit of a light bulb moment for me, as it offered some explanation for why I'd always made friends with people from varying social circles, who often seemed to not get along with each other, while finding it relatively easy myself to get along with most any social group.

^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-monitoring

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by amatecha » Wed, Dec 07, 2022, 10:31 PM UTC

Flagged the post as I don't think a person engaging in the behaviour discussed in this[0] thread needs a greater audience or needs to be paid any attention whatsoever.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33893781

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by xboxnolifes » Wed, Dec 07, 2022, 10:48 PM UTC

a1369209993 wrote: post #241

fleddr wrote: post #109

A great way to test the difference between the online and offline world is to boast about something you accomplished in a family gathering, say thanksgiving. "I scored 3 goals in last weekend's game". That's wonderful! (nobody truly cares, but it's still recognized and celebrated.) "I got 40 likes on my last tweet" ??? "Wait, it gets better: 20 people watched me play a game. Had to stay up until 4AM but still, worth…

> A great way to test the difference between the online and offline world Nitpick: this is great way to test the hypocrisy in how people treat/view the online and offline world. It's not a inherent difference between them.

Agree. This has nothing to do with online vs offline. The distinction here works just as well between sharing two offline events. Some people care about some things, but not others, with seemingly no reason other than because some things are more culturally accepted as being important.

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by maxbond » Wed, Dec 07, 2022, 10:49 PM UTC

ducttapecrown wrote: post #236

keiferski wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this is the kind of article that should be written by an open-minded anthropologist, not a Stanford grad intent on being opinionated. Unfortunately, every time a "hit piece" like this gets published, it makes the Internet just a little bit less weird and amenable to interesting subcultures.

It is a magazine and not a journal of anthropology.

I don't think they were necessarily being literal, I think they meant more, "with the mindset of an anthropologist". You don't have to be an anthropologist or submit work to a journal to approach a situation with an open mind and the goal of understanding without passing judgement. But if you're looking to understand what makes a culture tick, they're probably the people to look to for techniques and inspiration.

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by xboxnolifes » Wed, Dec 07, 2022, 10:50 PM UTC

fleddr wrote: post #109

A great way to test the difference between the online and offline world is to boast about something you accomplished in a family gathering, say thanksgiving. "I scored 3 goals in last weekend's game". That's wonderful! (nobody truly cares, but it's still recognized and celebrated.) "I got 40 likes on my last tweet" ??? "Wait, it gets better: 20 people watched me play a game. Had to stay up until 4AM but still, worth…

This has nothing to do with online vs offline, it's entirely down to what the audience values.

"I kicked a ball against a wall 10 times in a row yesterday".

Nobody cares.

Re: I don’t want to be an internet person

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Post by ImaCake » Wed, Dec 07, 2022, 10:52 PM UTC

woodruffw wrote: post #10

I thought this sounded familiar, and sure enough[1]. Edit: To make it explicit, which Palladium notably fails to do: this person is a reactionary and has a history of encouraging young girls to commit suicide. [1]: https://web3isgoinggreat.com/?id=founder-of-milady-nft-proje...

As someone who has recently discovered my neurodivergence, the first few paragraphs strike me as being very cruel towards people who are different. The internet, and niche social spaces, have given those who can't fit in a means to build community.