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What does it feel like to do maths? (2016)

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Re: What does it feel like to do maths? (2016)

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The big thing I always wondered was what do you do when you are stuck with something that nobody else has an answer to? I did contest math as a kid, loved it, but of course there's always an answer. Often if I didn't get the answer, there would be some kind of "oh yeah why didn't I think of that" when I heard the solution. So you would always be bailed out eventually. But also sometimes I'd get this bolt from the blu…

I recently read a 900 pager on Newton's life, which includes a lot of details about his mathematical accomplishments (book link: https://www.amazon.in/Never-Rest-Biography-Cambridge-Paperba... ). Key things that stand out: + Deep scholarship: Learn from your predecessors as much as possible; pick up their techniques, at the same time be sceptical, do not believe much, even when you're learning/mastering techniques. E…

> Imitate the masters

«Ved å studere mesterne, og ikke deres elever»

Re: What does it feel like to do maths? (2016)

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I recently read a 900 pager on Newton's life, which includes a lot of details about his mathematical accomplishments (book link: https://www.amazon.in/Never-Rest-Biography-Cambridge-Paperba... ). Key things that stand out: + Deep scholarship: Learn from your predecessors as much as possible; pick up their techniques, at the same time be sceptical, do not believe much, even when you're learning/mastering techniques. E…

> Imitate the masters «Ved å studere mesterne, og ikke deres elever»

Google translate says "By studying the masters, and not their students", apparently from Norwegian, apparently a quote from the mathematician Abel (who's name I know from Abelian groups but is probably better known to some here).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niels_Henrik_Abel

Re: What does it feel like to do maths? (2016)

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Used to walk to work, took 40 minutes, and with nothing else to occupy my mind I would think of some math problem and see what I could do.

I remember cutting into the library one time when almost at work to see if my solution was the same as the classical one. It wasn't! I knew then the joy of discovery.

Of course I wasn't the first to think of it but that didn't matter, the joy is the same.

Re: What does it feel like to do maths? (2016)

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Used to walk to work, took 40 minutes, and with nothing else to occupy my mind I would think of some math problem and see what I could do. I remember cutting into the library one time when almost at work to see if my solution was the same as the classical one. It wasn't! I knew then the joy of discovery. Of course I wasn't the first to think of it but that didn't matter, the joy is the same.

> Of course I wasn't the first to think of it but that didn't matter, the joy is the same.

Thank you for emphasising this key point! There's pleasure and there can be prestige in being the first to solve a mathematical problem, but there's joy and accomplishment just in solving the problem yourself, even if your approach is exactly the classical one. I am a rock climber as well as a mathematician, and I compare it to that: the first person to summit a route will get the big-name recognition, but it's still worth it for me to come along and summit myself later, even if I use exactly the same sequence as tens of people who have gone before me.

Re: What does it feel like to do maths? (2016)

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> At some point, you will hit a rock that nobody you know, even really smart people who have done this their whole lives, can jiggle. What do you do? Keep working. Or leave it, come back after some time (hours, days, weeks, months... even years). > Are people who do that basically experts at the little problems? Or is it like coding, where you can design a fairly large system and rely on the parts to come together on…

> even years the tide comes in for all problems, but for some more rapidly than others: cf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_postulate#History Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by fighting back.

For some reason I associate that rhyme with Piet Hein, based on the game Soma.

Re: What does it feel like to do maths? (2016)

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> even years the tide comes in for all problems, but for some more rapidly than others: cf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_postulate#History Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by fighting back.

For some reason I associate that rhyme with Piet Hein, based on the game Soma.

For the reason that it (along with many others, eg https://www.phys.ufl.edu/~thorn/grooks.html ) is his.

Re: What does it feel like to do maths? (2016)

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> Imitate the masters «Ved å studere mesterne, og ikke deres elever»

Google translate says "By studying the masters, and not their students", apparently from Norwegian, apparently a quote from the mathematician Abel (who's name I know from Abelian groups but is probably better known to some here). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niels_Henrik_Abel

"Read the source, Luke"

This one came to mind, which I think captures the same idea

Re: What does it feel like to do maths? (2016)

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Used to walk to work, took 40 minutes, and with nothing else to occupy my mind I would think of some math problem and see what I could do. I remember cutting into the library one time when almost at work to see if my solution was the same as the classical one. It wasn't! I knew then the joy of discovery. Of course I wasn't the first to think of it but that didn't matter, the joy is the same.

>Of course I wasn't the first to think of it but that didn't matter, the joy is the same.

Exactly right.

When I was in undergrad physics, I signed up for the intro comp-sci course (which is recommended back then but not yet required). First we learned the basic syntax of C, and in the second unit we learned about sorting algorithms. The Prof introduced us to bubble sort, selection sort, and insertion sort, and also the idea that the efficiency of a sorting algorithm was proportional to how many comparisons it required.

Being a physics student, I knew that there were physical process, like driven granular systems, that sorted objects by size without mathematically comparing anything at all. I wondered if I could beat the efficiency of all three of the algorithms by programming the computer to do something similar, treating integers like differently-sized grains of sand.

Over the weekend I first coded an algorithm I called jostle sort that sent the unsorted integers flying across a 2D array a distance equal to their magnitude, then picked them up again from left to right, top to bottom. This worked, but slowly because it had to look at every cell of the 2D array.

Thinking about it further, I imagined tipping the 2D array up from the bottom edge, so that all the integers in a column slid into a pile in the top row. I realized I only needed the count of how many integers ended up in each column, not the columns themselves. I could just initialize a 1D array of zeroes the size of the max value to be sorted, and increment the value in index n whenever I encountered n in the unsorted array. This worked really well, easily beating the other three algorithms in the criteria we'd been asked to test on our homework assignment.

I'd invented counting sort.

I would later learn that I wasn't the first, but that didn't lessen my pleasure. It's still my favorite sorting algorithm, because of that joy of discovery.

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