Sometimes I wonder why people don't have the foresight to reserve posts like this for their personal thoughts. Don't ruin a good thing with speculation of its demise.
Security through obscurity never lasts.
Ask HN: Why doesn't archive.today get shut down?
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#22If a news site wants customers to pay for the content, then they should put it behind a walled garden and not paywalls which only apply to certain used-agents and IPs.
Why? Do people not have the freedom to give things for free to those they choose?
They do but they don’t get to also bitch about workarounds.
Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't archive.today get shut down?
#23I suspect that many sites ignore it because it helps get attention. No one is seriously going to browse a website that way, so an odd article for free won't harm them and may help gain an audience.
Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't archive.today get shut down?
#24If a news site wants customers to pay for the content, then they should put it behind a walled garden and not paywalls which only apply to certain used-agents and IPs.
Why? Do people not have the freedom to give things for free to those they choose?
I see this as more of a suggestion to providers, not a rule to limit freedoms.
Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't archive.today get shut down?
#25It's hosted in Russia I think.
There are a lot of pirate content sites in Russia. I remember one circa 2002 that would let you download MP3's, Ogg's and other music files by the gigabyte.
allofmp3?
I remember that. They sold the tracks for like 5 cents apiece, which was worth it to get consistent ID3 data and sane filenaming. (As opposed to Napster, Limewire, Kazaa, etc.)
But they rug-pulled me! I had about $3.00 in credits on their platform when they went dark. :)
Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't archive.today get shut down?
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are a lot of pirate content sites in Russia. I remember one circa 2002 that would let you download MP3's, Ogg's and other music files by the gigabyte.
allofmp3? I remember that. They sold the tracks for like 5 cents apiece, which was worth it to get consistent ID3 data and sane filenaming. (As opposed to Napster, Limewire, Kazaa, etc.) But they rug-pulled me! I had about $3.00 in credits on their platform when they went dark. :)
Yep, that’s the one. It was kinda like a music download store like iTunes but it was not legit.
Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't archive.today get shut down?
#28Maybe it's difficult to justify a takedown if simultaneously they're responding to requests from search engines with full content for indexing, as part of their business model. Either the full content is available to be indexed, or it isn't - which is it?
Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't archive.today get shut down?
#29Why would it get shut down? Companies like Google and Cloudflare do the same thing with AMP based re-hosting of websites without consent. Some site signs up for AMP for it's domain, then any links from that site to other 3rd party sites get sucked up by Google/Cloudflare and re-hosted as an AMP site on their servers without the 3rd party site getting hits from the actual people clicking links. Re-hosting is not a cri…
Caches operate on the very edge of safe harbor, and they don't modify content, operate automatically, and remove/update to match upstream. Operating as a dumb part of network infrastructure is why they're legal, much in the way that your network switch doesn't commit copyright infringement when it forwards packets down the correct port.
It is also worth noting that not everyone agrees that AMP is legal. It has been the subject of lawsuits.
If there's a human picking content, and that content doesn't match upstream, that may be well enough to step outside of safe harbor provisions.
Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't archive.today get shut down?
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? Do people not have the freedom to give things for free to those they choose?
I see this as more of a suggestion to providers, not a rule to limit freedoms.
I think providers would put that suggestion directly into the round bin. Internet mass-media companies need to be discoverable in a search engine.