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Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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Post by lucideer »

webmobdev wrote: post #20
lucideer wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The founder sold Opera A nit-pick, but not entirely true. The set of events was: founder stepped aside from the board due to disagreements on direction, eventually resigned from the company, then (a good while later) the board opted to sell the company. Perhaps the big mistake was the founder not taking as much of a bdfl approach to management as many do. Maybe. Who's to say. > I avoid it. And Vivaldi still has mil…

If I recall right, the founder was involved in the fiasco to abandon Presto in favour of Blink. I remember one of the reason he cited in defence for this is that Presto couldn't keep up with the increasing number of popular, broken websites they needed to support in "quirks" mode / compatibility mode (or something like that) and working with Google on Blink would really help with that. So I don't think he is entirely…

Not sure how long it was brewing internally, but the decision to move from Presto to Webkit was publicly announced in 2013; von Tetzchner stepped down in 2010 & resigned in 2011.

> the fact that all businessmen, especially new one, also make honest mistakes

But yes, absolutely this. The repeated decision to forgo open-sourcing is (imo) a fatal mistake - it's the number 1 cited reason for people not switching to Vivaldi & also the real tragedy of Presto's shutdown: no possibility of a community fork - for what was an engine that always outperformed all competitors efficiency-wise (Webkit was faster when coupled with new hw & a brick tonne of RAM, but still knocks out even the fanciest setups today when you open more than a tab or three).

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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Post by FlyingSnake »

bilekas wrote: post #5
turblety wrote: post #4

I'm sure everyone here knows, but just posting to make sure no one misses out. Please don't use Vivaldi. It is a closed source browser [1], and as such we have no way of validating they have not put backdoors, spyware, telemetrics to send private details such as your bank details, website logins, Google account, etc. Stick with open source browsers, who's code is verifiable, especially for something as important as a…

Is this still applicable as there are source archives here : https://vivaldi.com/source/ I don't use Vivaldi, and have no interest in the Mastodon for now, but they were smart enough to change their use agent in order to have further compatibility, that actually triggered a market share loss on paper. https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-2-10-no-strings-attached-2/ Would be interested to hear if anyone uses Vivaldi and h…

I use Vivaldi as my secondary browser and I like it. I use it because my workplace mandates Google Workspaces. I use it solely for work purposes for 2 main reasons:

1. It has tree tabs and I can't find any other Chrome based browser with Tree tabs

2. Google Meet is 2nd class citizen on Firefox and lacks many features.

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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Post by hombre_fatal »

yabones wrote: post #8

It's sort of funny how we've come full circle. First there was RSS. People didn't like having an RSS program, so a reader was bundled with the browser. Then social media took over from personal blogs & feeds. With declining use, browsers removed RSS readers. Then federated social media grew. Now browsers are re-bundling clients in the browser. Everything old is new again...

Frankly this just seems like Vivaldi hopping on a not so compelling trend.

I don’t even think your list of events is a successive, connected one. Browsers once had RSS readers so now it’s full circle that Vivaldi adds to its kitchen sink for a social network barely anybody uses?

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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Post by wintermutestwin »

euix wrote: post #18
turblety wrote: post #4

I'm sure everyone here knows, but just posting to make sure no one misses out. Please don't use Vivaldi. It is a closed source browser [1], and as such we have no way of validating they have not put backdoors, spyware, telemetrics to send private details such as your bank details, website logins, Google account, etc. Stick with open source browsers, who's code is verifiable, especially for something as important as a…

In that case, what is the alternative? Chromium is so nice to use it's hard to get away.

Chromium browsers lack side tabs and horizontal tabs make zero sense. I believe that Firefox (and its derivatives) is the only option which is open source.

(yes there are a few vertical tab extensions for Chrome, but they are all incredibly lame as they do it by injecting an iframe into each webpage (!!))

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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Post by [deleted] »

FlyingSnake wrote: post #32
bilekas wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this still applicable as there are source archives here : https://vivaldi.com/source/ I don't use Vivaldi, and have no interest in the Mastodon for now, but they were smart enough to change their use agent in order to have further compatibility, that actually triggered a market share loss on paper. https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-2-10-no-strings-attached-2/ Would be interested to hear if anyone uses Vivaldi and h…

I use Vivaldi as my secondary browser and I like it. I use it because my workplace mandates Google Workspaces. I use it solely for work purposes for 2 main reasons: 1. It has tree tabs and I can't find any other Chrome based browser with Tree tabs 2. Google Meet is 2nd class citizen on Firefox and lacks many features.

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Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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Post by tristan957 »

elforce002 wrote: post #29
seqastian wrote: post #24

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Firefox > Vivaldi > Brave > Edge > Chrome yet everyone is still using Chrome.. (written on DuckDuckGo browser)

I use Brave daily (browser + search) and it's really good. I can't live without shebangs anymore.

DuckDuckGo has shebangs too fyi.

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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Post by hobo_mark »

jraph wrote: post #22
hobo_mark wrote: post #7

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The source is incomplete, you cannot build the browser from it, it's just there for licence compliance. Anyhow, it's just chrome with extra stuff you can disable (email client? rss reader?) and extra stuff I cannot imagine living without (side panels). https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/panels/web-panels/ I do not understand why no other browser has the ability to keep a predefined list of pages always open to the side…

If you pin tabs, they'll be loaded on start and stay until you close them. Always in sight even if you have a lot of tabs. At least on Firefox. It seems like this would almost perfectly act as a "predefined list of pages always open to the side, especially for real-time communication" or did I miss something? It won't be next to the page, but always visible at the top-left and kept between restarts.

I know pinned tabs, I pin the music tab, it plays in the background, I never have to look at it, cool.

The point of having slack/mattermost/discord/whatever always on the side is that one does not have to switch away from the main tab just to see what's going on.

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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Post by morsch »

coldpie wrote: post #17
yabones wrote: post #8

It's sort of funny how we've come full circle. First there was RSS. People didn't like having an RSS program, so a reader was bundled with the browser. Then social media took over from personal blogs & feeds. With declining use, browsers removed RSS readers. Then federated social media grew. Now browsers are re-bundling clients in the browser. Everything old is new again...

RSS is still around! Most news & blog sites support it, though sometimes you have to go digging in the HTML to find the feed URL. On the client side, I find Feedly to be satisfactory on both desktop & mobile, and they actually have a business model so hopefully they'll stick around. There are of course many other clients, but that's the one that stuck for me.

Setting up an RSS reader was the best thing that happened to my browsing habits in years. Can't recommend it enough.

Constant refreshing of half a dozen sites was replaced by occassionally looking into one program. Literally all the sites I read had an RSS feed, even if they didn't advertise it (maybe they don't even realise it). And a while ago I added an RSS feed for replies to my comments here[1], which I thought I might implement myself, but of course somebody already did (thanks!).

In addition, it helps keeping up with blogs I do read, but I don't read immediately, e.g. ACOUP.

It also solved the problem of Firefox Android's atrocious tab handling ([2], basically because I took Firefox out of the equation).

1 https://hnrss.org

2 https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/fenix/issues/20090

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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Post by return_to_monke »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #34
euix wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In that case, what is the alternative? Chromium is so nice to use it's hard to get away.

Chromium browsers lack side tabs and horizontal tabs make zero sense. I believe that Firefox (and its derivatives) is the only option which is open source. (yes there are a few vertical tab extensions for Chrome, but they are all incredibly lame as they do it by injecting an iframe into each webpage (!!))

I actually like Vivaldi's "tab grouping" feature better than tree side vertical tabs. I use Firefox tho, because I don't want to give chrom* based browsers any more market share

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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Post by tlavoie »

FlyingSnake wrote: post #32
bilekas wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this still applicable as there are source archives here : https://vivaldi.com/source/ I don't use Vivaldi, and have no interest in the Mastodon for now, but they were smart enough to change their use agent in order to have further compatibility, that actually triggered a market share loss on paper. https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-2-10-no-strings-attached-2/ Would be interested to hear if anyone uses Vivaldi and h…

I use Vivaldi as my secondary browser and I like it. I use it because my workplace mandates Google Workspaces. I use it solely for work purposes for 2 main reasons: 1. It has tree tabs and I can't find any other Chrome based browser with Tree tabs 2. Google Meet is 2nd class citizen on Firefox and lacks many features.

What do you find to be missing for Google Meet? Firefox is also my daily driver, and my workplace is heavily into the whole Google ecosystem. Meet seems to be fine enough, but maybe I'm not looking for things that aren't shown to me.
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