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Nigeria bans ATM cash withdrawals over $225 a week to force use of CBDC

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Re: Nigeria bans ATM cash withdrawals over $225 a week to force use of CBDC

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For anyone unsure as to why CBDC's are a horrendous idea please read this thread: https://twitter.com/punk6529/status/1494444624630403083?lang... Or as an unrolled thread here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1494444624630403083.html

That rant views freedom as purely individual, and not collective, or more likely the compromises in other to have both.

It also doesn't explain the difference between CBDC with traditional debit/credit card systems, which do impose a ton of restrictions to some in order to protect freedoms for others (whether demonitizing a porn site that does not hold uploaders accountable, or reducing tax evasion).

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Can someone explain to me why this wouldn't have the perverse effect of discouraging the use of conventional bank accounts and causing people to just hold onto their cash or to put it in the equivalent of safe deposit boxes, or for wealthier people, to use "offshore" banks or to purchase assets easily convertible into cash?

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55% of Nigerians have access to electricity. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.ELC.ACCS.ZS?location... Seems like the government knows their priorities.

I'm not really sure what 'access to electricity' actually means. Would it still count as access if the electricity was only available for an hour a day on average? Or would it count if said access comes mostly from privately-owned diesel generators? If the answer is 'yes' to either question then those numbers are quite accurate.

ESMAP have a good guide for this: https://esmap.org/mtf_multi-tier_framework_for_energy_access

https://mtfenergyaccess.esmap.org/

Might not help in this case but it’s a nice frame work for thinking about energy access.

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Can someone explain to me why this wouldn't have the perverse effect of discouraging the use of conventional bank accounts and causing people to just hold onto their cash or to put it in the equivalent of safe deposit boxes, or for wealthier people, to use "offshore" banks or to purchase assets easily convertible into cash?

The Naira has been redesigned and new notes will be public by December 15th. The old note will cease to be a legal tender by January 31st, 2023

Re: Nigeria bans ATM cash withdrawals over $225 a week to force use of CBDC

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As a Nigerian, one of my biggest goals is to save enough to invest in a second passport. Since the last administration took over, their policies have been spectacularly bad - and that's coming from me, a Nigerian (and African) who has only known bad government all his life.

When COVID-19 kicked in and oil revenues dried up, the government turned on the printing presses and churned out an awful amount of Nairas. Like anyone who has a basic knowledge of economics would have expected, the Naira tanked - aggressively. From around N365/$1 to N740/$1 as of today (i.e., on the black market).

Instead of facing up to the problem, the government has created multiple exchange rates, demonized bureau de change operators, and generally restricted how much FX you can access.

And as presidential elections are coming up in 2023, millions of citizens are still eager to vote for the clowns that will just crank the lever to 11.

At some point, you just feel trapped. Most citizens don't even recognize it and the CBDC was launched without no opposition.

Come to think of it, it was launched after a series of anti-government protests in OCTOBER 2022. So, the government started tying SIM cards to personal ID numbers and trying to force a CBDC. So, if such a protest should repeat itself, you just get cut off from the financial system without fanfare.

That's what pains me: those who were protesting government brutality in October 2020 have said nothing about this and they see it as just another step towards a digital economy.

It's so discouraging being a libertarian and knowing how this will end.

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Can someone explain to me why this wouldn't have the perverse effect of discouraging the use of conventional bank accounts and causing people to just hold onto their cash or to put it in the equivalent of safe deposit boxes, or for wealthier people, to use "offshore" banks or to purchase assets easily convertible into cash?

India's approach was to cancel large-denomination banknotes, but it did not have the intended effect, https://archive.ph/ynouY

> India’s prime minister, announced in November that Rs1,000 ($16) and Rs500 notes would no longer be legal tender, he suggested that corrupt officials, businessmen and criminals — popularly believed to hoard large amounts of illicit cash — would be stuck with “worthless pieces of paper”. But the Reserve Bank of India’s annual report on Wednesday suggested that most holders of the old currency managed to dispose of it

> ... The bank’s estimate follows media reports that complex money-laundering networks sprang up in the wake of the demonetisation to help wealthy Indians deposit huge volumes of previously undeclared currency without exposing themselves to tax authorities. Such people allegedly sold the old notes, at a discount, to brokers who then dispatched low-income Indians to deposit or exchange them at banks.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excepting COVID, where the line went flat, it seems to be consistently improving. Compared to the other countries in Africa, I'd say they are on par or much better off. Not a great situation, but seemingly improving at a steady clip, so maybe it isn't as bad as the bare number would imply. To steel-man the government's motives, I might hazard a guess they are hoping that a digital currency will attract more investmen…

The government is just looking for a way to save face for their failed economic policies. They’re setting up this law in a country where digital banking is unreliable; it’s not uncommon for bank networks go down for hours. Because of how reckless they’ve managed our economy, banks are finding it difficult to access foreign exchange. One consequence is that I can no longer spend the equivalent of more than $20 per mon…

> I have to resort to using cryptocurrency to pay for my websites and domain names

How do people typically convert from local currency to cryptocurrency? Is Bitcoin the most popular cryptocurrency? Are there not relatively high fees for conversion from cash to crypto, or to use crypto as payments for smaller transactions?

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A beta test for EU and US. This won’t be good for the average citizen.

Sadly this appears to be true. Apparently the largest 12 U.S. banks (Citi, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Chase, etc.) are pushing for CBDC and most of the ~4.7k other commercial banks oppose it. Guess who is winning? [0]

[0]: https://www.corbettreport.com/cbdc/

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