From the article: > Functional ‘Tourette-like’ symptoms can be regarded as the ‘modern’ form of the well-known motor variant of mass sociogenic illness. > Moreover, they can be viewed as the 21st century expression of a culture-bound stress reaction of our post-modern society emphasizing the uniqueness of individuals and valuing their alleged exceptionality, thus promoting attention-seeking behaviours and aggravating…
I had a very hard time parsing that sentence. But I know someone who is really good at parsing sentences. https://ibb.co/CsWVc95
It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness
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#582The times we live in, utterly bizarre. Pre-internet, one would rarely be exposed to ideas that are extreme, unhinged, insane or downright weird. It would still happen but in moderation, for which I'll use the stereotype "village idiot". A village idiot is isolated for having off-base ideas and behavior, hence bad ideas don't take root. Now it's as if all the village idiots of the world had a meeting and started to ru…
If federal, state and local legislation or exclusive constitutional rights qualify as normalization, then we've been here before in the US... on several occasions.
> The sheer volume of it.
%100 agree. The difference between now and all the other times is that it's hard to escape it if you want to function in society-at-large. But I'd add that an obsession with growth is also key to the deleterious effects of social media.
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#583Stuff like this makes me wonder if taboo and stigma "evolved" in societies as defense against the spread of behavior that could cause a breakdown of social order. For example, if something like dancing mania[0] got out of hand, then important jobs could be left undone and people starve or whatever. So if the notion that such behavior is bad is drilled into everyone's mind before being exposed, then they are more like…
Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness
#584The times we live in, utterly bizarre. Pre-internet, one would rarely be exposed to ideas that are extreme, unhinged, insane or downright weird. It would still happen but in moderation, for which I'll use the stereotype "village idiot". A village idiot is isolated for having off-base ideas and behavior, hence bad ideas don't take root. Now it's as if all the village idiots of the world had a meeting and started to ru…
I know there's a panic over "screen time", which I've never really been on board with.
But I think there's a lot more to be said for keeping children away from the internet. The screen isn't so much of a problem. But the internet is.
Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness
#585The times we live in, utterly bizarre. Pre-internet, one would rarely be exposed to ideas that are extreme, unhinged, insane or downright weird. It would still happen but in moderation, for which I'll use the stereotype "village idiot". A village idiot is isolated for having off-base ideas and behavior, hence bad ideas don't take root. Now it's as if all the village idiots of the world had a meeting and started to ru…
> Imagine being a youngster right now. Okay. > You do as your peers do, you live online. Where insanity is your mainstream cultural input. Reductionist, but I follow. What is insanity, and who defines it? Prior to the modern day, homosexuality was insanity or illness. > Where mental illness, a very serious issue, is seemingly rewarded for oppression points. Outside of some very extreme circles, nobody is actually doi…
It's not reasonably possible to rid ourselves of the internet, and in fact I think it's a net Good. The issue going forward is to consider and teach responsible internet use for not just young people, but everyone. Most of the shitty, intentionally hurtful things I see on the internet don't come from young folks, but from adults trying to inflict harm. People like that have always existed, and are the real problem in these cases.
Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness
#586The times we live in, utterly bizarre. Pre-internet, one would rarely be exposed to ideas that are extreme, unhinged, insane or downright weird. It would still happen but in moderation, for which I'll use the stereotype "village idiot". A village idiot is isolated for having off-base ideas and behavior, hence bad ideas don't take root. Now it's as if all the village idiots of the world had a meeting and started to ru…
Someone on HN once described this as the "toaster fucker problem" and I've thought about it this way ever since: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25667362
Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness
#587The times we live in, utterly bizarre. Pre-internet, one would rarely be exposed to ideas that are extreme, unhinged, insane or downright weird. It would still happen but in moderation, for which I'll use the stereotype "village idiot". A village idiot is isolated for having off-base ideas and behavior, hence bad ideas don't take root. Now it's as if all the village idiots of the world had a meeting and started to ru…
You don’t have to browse Reddit for long to to see plenty of self-described loners, people dealing with anxiety and other mental issues. And it makes sense that these people would find community online.
But if kids are going online and being bombarded with “the world is doomed”, and “what I thought were just the challenges of growing up are actually a mental illness” or “once I did [unhealthy coping mechanism], I felt like my problems were solved”, they developed unhealthy and distorted views of how kids their age think and act. I can see it being very easy to get sucked into the worst kind of community.
And if kids isolate themselves further the online world is literally 99% of their entire world view. And what an awful distorted world that is.
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#588> About half of Generation Z feels stressed or anxious with climate change being the top concern. Eco-anxiety is associated not only with fear, panic attacks, feelings of anger, guilt and helplessness, but also uncontrollability, unpredictability and uncertainty. Yet, the politicians continue to do almost nothing. When does Gen Z start voting?
Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness
#589Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Let's first be clear that gender dysphoria is a real thing To be clear, the pain someone is feeling is real but the "reality" of a condition is a bit of an unclear concept. We can't really address this until we try to control for the gendered expectations of the sufferer, their surroundings, and any observers. Suzie Green of Mermaids has said that some of their motivation in transing their son as a toddler was his…
> Suzie Green of Mermaids has said that some of their motivation in transing their son as a toddler was his father's discomfort with some of the toys he was playing with and the homosexual connotations. Excuse me, a toddler ? A toddler and any kind of sexual connotations? I have no idea what you're talking about, but you're packing a lot of red flags in that sentence. > > and transitioning has been a very real soluti…
Her words: “As a toddler, Jackie always headed for the dolls in toy shops.”
In her Tedx talk, Green says that as soon as her baby boy “got mobile” “he was gravitating to things that you would think are stereotypically female”. [...] “the Polly Pocket and My Little Pony”, she says, and then quickly adds “that was fine – but not for Dad”. Green’s then husband disapproved of his son playing with My Little Pony toys and therefore banned them from the house.
> I have no idea what you're talking about, but you're packing a lot of red flags in that sentence.
Adults projecting their gender insecurities and stereotypes onto children should raise red flags.
> I know too many people for whom transitioning has been a very real solution to think it might be "hard to say" if it really did.
What do you mean by transition? Sex-change operations or "social transition"?
Because if you mean the latter then a main part of it is to act in a way your internalized gender stereotypes wouldn't have let you, so of course kind of by definition you'll feel better. But it's hard to say the transition caused the improvement because they're also changing their expectations for themself at the same time. Could they have simply dropped the regressive stereotypes they were inflicting on themselves without declaring a new identity?
I would save the phrase "it works" for something that we know works better than a null intervention and doesn't introduce any new problems.
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#590Earlier quoted context omitted.
EMDR looks mighty hinky to me. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11393607/ "In sum, EMDR appears to be no more effective than other exposure techniques, and evidence suggests that the eye movements integral to the treatment, and to its name, are unnecessary."
That research is likely out of date.