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Re: Apple Music Sing

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Counting ad-blocking as a barrier to entry on HN is probably unfair.

Absolutely, which is why I specified “average person”. I think most anyone on HN could figure it out. But that’s not what Apple is shooting for, I don’t think. At the end of the day, I just didn’t want come right out and say “rsync, ftp, something something Dropbox”. :-)

If the average person can pay for Apple Music they could pay for Youtube Premium.

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Even to an introvert like me, the cheesiness and being corny is part of what makes karaoke so good, it has an automatic atmosphere where you are allowed to do badly because we can all laugh at ourselves. Polish and perfection makes this less appealing to me. Makes it feel up-tight and a bit snobby.

for me, I can't sing along if it's not close to the original because my brain remembers every tick of the original and wants to match the key of the original as well. Also, I had a friend who got addicted to Smule which is an online sing duets with random strangers. It uses auto-tune so that anyone can enjoy themselves. I never tried it but he said it was amazing and he got a ton of joy from it. Me, I like the idea t…

> I can't sing along if it's not close to the original because my brain remembers every tick of the original and wants to match the key of the original as well.

I don't know if this helps at all, but you probably want to learn to sing in a different octave, not a different key. This means shifting your voice up and down from the original in multiples of eight notes. You can sing in a different octave without changing the background music and it'll sound completely normal, and have the same feel as the original song.

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I spent a couple years on the YouTube Music team, adjacent to the folks who handled the nightmare that is music rights and licensing. It was explained to me that the reason YouTube didn't offer a karaoke feature -- despite having licenses to a lot of lyrics -- is that karaoke is considered a separate license. Even if you license both the recording and the lyrics, combining them into a karaoke feature isn't on the tab…

It's "simply" an "AI" EQ preset adjuster using the existing licensing/sale/broadcast rights. /s

:)

For prior art, see what happened to Aereo. A little-known fact is that YouTube TV started with the exact same strategy. But Google, of course, had more money and lawyers to get over the hump.

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Absolutely, which is why I specified “average person”. I think most anyone on HN could figure it out. But that’s not what Apple is shooting for, I don’t think. At the end of the day, I just didn’t want come right out and say “rsync, ftp, something something Dropbox”. :-)

If the average person can pay for Apple Music they could pay for Youtube Premium.

I don't think the cost is the barrier they're discussing here.

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I'm not sure if this is the same as the DJ apps that remove vocals and other instruments but there seems to be a surge of apps that have this feature. It's impressive how well some of these work and I believe they are mostly based on an open source project (I can't recall the name).

There's a neat trick you can do with songs that don't have much reverb. If you load a track. Clone the channel into a second one and then just "flip" the wave form it will remove all the vocals.

Not perfect but it's pretty damn good.

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If the average person can pay for Apple Music they could pay for Youtube Premium.

I don't think the cost is the barrier they're discussing here.

The point is that ad block is not among the barriers you need to overcome.

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I'm excited for this feature. My brother purchased a small karaoke machine for my daughter for her birthday this year. It connects to her iPad via Bluetooth; but, so far, she's only been able to use her regular iTunes library for music. This is because the "karaoke music service" pushed in the box for the and available on the app store was a subscription for $19.99 PER WEEK. I don't care if their audio processing to…

She'll love Smule. :)

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Channel and spatial/binaural tracks I'd expect, but separated tracks for instruments/vocals is a lot more time consuming and the kind of thing that studios/producers/masterers would bluster at enough that I wouldn't expect it to come close to giving Apple the volume they'd likely want. It absolutely could be done, I just think that Apple would want very good coverage and studios would be very slow to provide this for…

Apple need the labels either way. They can't just go creating new derived works without a license, and the artists and producers would far prefer to avoid the artifacts of something that is overly automated. It's already become pretty common for studios and labels to make stems available (stems are full multi-track files that can be used with a DAW) to industry insiders and even the public sometimes. There's a commun…

Stems are usually lossless files and have an intended purpose for remixing.

Do you stop at instruments and vocals or are we talking 100+ tracks? It strikes me as nontrivial work for very limited purpose. Apple can turn your vocals down so now your exports have to include extra tracks? I don't think that's a good enough sell. The labels do care about this use case.

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Is this akin to karaoke? (The word never appears on the page.) > Apple today announced Apple Music Sing, an exciting new feature that allows users to sing along to their favorite songs with adjustable vocals1 and real-time lyrics. Users can already "sing along to their favorite songs" -- this feels like a wasted opportunity in the first sentence to explain the differentiator. It feels like they're misusing/misunderst…

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