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Why Is No One Asking SFB What Happened to the $3.3B He Borrowed?

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Re: Why Is No One Asking SFB What Happened to the $3.3B He Borrowed?

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Matt Levine’s column yesterday quotes a Bloomberg interview with Zeke Faux where they did ask where the money went, and SBF gave some approximate numbers in a spreadsheet. I don’t see why this is trustworthy, but for what it’s worth:

> “You misplaced $8 billion?” I ask.

> “Misaccounted,” Bankman-Fried says, sounding almost proud of his explanation. Sometimes, he says, customers would wire money to Alameda Research instead of sending it directly to FTX. (Some banks were more willing to work with the hedge fund than the exchange, for some reason.) He claims that somehow, FTX’s internal accounting system double-counted this money, essentially crediting it to both the exchange and the fund.

> That still doesn’t explain why the money was gone. “Where did the $8 billion go?” I ask.

> To answer, Bankman-Fried creates a new tab on the spreadsheet and starts typing. He lists Alameda and FTX’s biggest cash flows. One of the biggest expenses is paying a net $2.5 billion to Binance, a rival, to buy out its investment in FTX. He also lists $250 million for real estate, $1.5 billion for expenses, $4 billion for venture capital investments, $1.5 billion for acquisitions and $1 billion labeled “fuckups.” Even accounting for both firms’ profits, and all the venture capital money raised by FTX, it tallies to negative $6.5 billion.

> Bankman-Fried is telling me that the billions of dollars customers wired to Alameda is gone simply because the companies spent way more than they made. He claims he paid so little attention to his expenses that he didn’t realize he was spending more than he was taking in. “I was real lazy about this mental math,” the former physics major says. He creates another column in his spreadsheet and types in much lower numbers to show what he thought he was spending at the time.

Re: Why Is No One Asking SFB What Happened to the $3.3B He Borrowed?

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct - the "everyone" is mainly NYT and some politicians. There are some questions there as it's a bit sketchy why they're treating him with such kid gloves.

I thought it was long admitted, even by the NYT (citation below) in a recent reorg, that they were controlled by the Democrats to an extent that even they found losing them readership and thus money. That said, I can't find an exact citation, but one article back then noted replacing editors in attempt to be more neutral. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/17/new-york-ti...

At some point the NYT just got rabies where Trump was concerned. The news pages became gross and distracting even to folks like me who are normally core NYT readers.

Now this is nuanced, ok? Trump has publicly called for elimination of the Constitution. That's not the media, that's him. But anyway, re the NYT, the really important point (for me) is that they allowed the front page to become unreasonable and unreadable.

Maybe it has recovered now. I don't know. I'm afraid to look.

Re: Why Is No One Asking SFB What Happened to the $3.3B He Borrowed?

#94

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It seems that they are critiquing two major news sources (NYT & WSJ). I've been following the conflict from BBC News and The Economist, and the reporting has been solid in my opinion. This site also only seems to push back against more left-wing news outlets, I didn't see anything saying how Fox News pushing for appeasement isn't a good idea.

Ah yes, questioning the wisdom of sending tens of billions of dollars in weapons and cash to a regime controlled by neonazis and that is so corrupt it was denied EU membership is "appeasement".

> a regime controlled by neonazis

Current approved position is that they are "satanists", didn't you hear?

Re: Why Is No One Asking SFB What Happened to the $3.3B He Borrowed?

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post #76

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The main thing people claim Tether does is: 1. pretend to have customers 2. pretend those customers have deposits 3. issue Tether to front those deposits 4. pump up their favorite coins with their newly minted Tethers My first suspicion would be that FTX was more fraudulent to its investors than people claim. It pretended to have a lot more customers & deposits than it actually did to pump up FTT, to get real money f…

Sounds a lot like what banks do. They mostly lend out money they don't actually have, with the hope that the owners of the money they lend out don't notice.

The main difference is that banks enforce a low loan to value ratio and collateral. So a bank will give a 10k personal loan to someone who has 100k of stock and 500k of equity in their home. If that person doesn't pay back the loan the bank can sell some of that person's stock or put a lean on the person's house. With FTX no one was putting up collateral other than crypto.

Re: Why Is No One Asking SFB What Happened to the $3.3B He Borrowed?

#96

The All-In podcast about this is worth listening to. Considering that part of the money went to you-know-who, it’s no surprise that those groups don’t ask any tough questions.

you-know-who?

Democrats and Republicans. Though only Democrats will be mentioned for idealogical reasons.

Re: Why Is No One Asking SFB What Happened to the $3.3B He Borrowed?

#98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct - the "everyone" is mainly NYT and some politicians. There are some questions there as it's a bit sketchy why they're treating him with such kid gloves.

Seems to me people have completely unrealistic expectations of how financial crimes play out. This will take years to unwind. Pretty obvious the "why isn't he in jail yet" screaming is coming from the same place as "why aren't I rich yet," on which this entire empire was built. This stuff takes time. He's very obviously going to prison. For context: Enron, whose operations and collapse caused way more negative impact…

> Seems to me people have completely unrealistic expectations of how financial crimes play out. This will take years to unwind.

I doubt there can be a group more perfectly self-selected for seeing TradFi, media and the government as corrupt than today's crypto community. What they are experiencing is conformation bias, affirming things they always "knew" to be true all along, based on gut feel more than any real knowledge of how long investigations typically take.

Re: Why Is No One Asking SFB What Happened to the $3.3B He Borrowed?

#99
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds a lot like what banks do. They mostly lend out money they don't actually have, with the hope that the owners of the money they lend out don't notice.

The main difference is that banks enforce a low loan to value ratio and collateral. So a bank will give a 10k personal loan to someone who has 100k of stock and 500k of equity in their home. If that person doesn't pay back the loan the bank can sell some of that person's stock or put a lean on the person's house. With FTX no one was putting up collateral other than crypto.

In addition, banks don't precisely lend out "money they don't have." They lend out cash they don't have against outstanding loans that are rationally expected to be repaid. If those loans are bad and the bank conceals it, or if they misrepresent the amount of those loans, then that's fraud. (IANAL)

Re: Why Is No One Asking SFB What Happened to the $3.3B He Borrowed?

#100

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Seems to me people have completely unrealistic expectations of how financial crimes play out. This will take years to unwind. Pretty obvious the "why isn't he in jail yet" screaming is coming from the same place as "why aren't I rich yet," on which this entire empire was built. This stuff takes time. He's very obviously going to prison. For context: Enron, whose operations and collapse caused way more negative impact…

>>>Seems to me people have completely unrealistic expectations of how financial crimes play out. This will take years to unwind. I remember Bernie Madoffs case unwinding rather quickly once news broke. The elephant in the room that needs to be addressed is that SFB was the second largest doner to the democratic party where the DOJ is headed by an democratic appointee. This is a very bad look for justice and the democ…

Bernie Madoff who faced credible allegations of fraud for years and only shut down when he straight up told his sons "it's one big lie?" I don't know that that's actually as "quickly" as it appears.
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