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Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by timmytokyo »

romanovcode wrote: post #45

They should introduce "Discover Weekly", "Release Radar" and "Enhanced Playlists". Why are the recommendations lacking so much behind Spotify? That's the only reason I can't switch over and I would love to.

Apple Music has custom play lists, which it updates every week. One of them is the "New Music Mix", which is sort of a combination of Spotify's "Release Radar" and "Discover Weekly" play lists. Apple also has other mix play lists, which are updated weekly: things like "Favorites Mix", "Chill Mix", and "Get Up! Mix". Finally Apple Music has custom "radio stations", which are endless playlists based on your listening history. (I believe Spotify also had stations, but I never used them much.)

I switched from Spotify to Apple Music about a month ago, mostly because I wanted music in Dolby Atmos. (Not all songs are in Dolby Atmos, but many are, and they sound far superior on my AirPods to anything without it.) After transferring my Spotify playlists to Apple, I've found that the experiences are pretty similar. There are a few things I like better about Spotify (e.g., it has better support for non-Apple platforms like Linux and Windows), but I prefer Apple now. If you're curious, I'd recommend a free trial.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by mihaaly »

pilsetnieks wrote: post #8

> and can be enjoyed on iPhone, iPad, and the new Apple TV 4K But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? I get that they want to push device and service adoption but they should pick a lane, either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy.

Probably some would choose not to upgrade devices and not to sign up to services and then they could put their greed where it belongs.

I am getting fed up by the user hostile attitude of producers and providers, maybe I will just keep my money or spend elsewhere.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by rsynnott »

simonw wrote: post #23

I was just thinking the other day that what I really want is pretty much Duolingo for singing lessons. I'd love to get better at singing, but not quite enough to actually find, schedule and pay for singing lessons from a human teacher. But I'd happily do 15 minutes a day with a Duolingo-style app, especially if it could guide me through exercises to help me sing better.

An obvious name for such a product suggests itself.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by rodiger »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #48
joegahona wrote: post #5

Is this akin to karaoke? (The word never appears on the page.) > Apple today announced Apple Music Sing, an exciting new feature that allows users to sing along to their favorite songs with adjustable vocals1 and real-time lyrics. Users can already "sing along to their favorite songs" -- this feels like a wasted opportunity in the first sentence to explain the differentiator. It feels like they're misusing/misunderst…

I came here with that question, why don't they call this karaoke? Wondered if "karaoke" is trademarked? (or patented?!) It doesn't seem to me likely that they didn't think their audience would know the word "karaoke" at this point, but I don't know.

Total speculation, but maybe Apple focus grouped it and saw karaoke has some corny/cringy implicit associations so they wanted some distance

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by joegahona »

hamburglar wrote: post #20
joegahona wrote: post #5

Is this akin to karaoke? (The word never appears on the page.) > Apple today announced Apple Music Sing, an exciting new feature that allows users to sing along to their favorite songs with adjustable vocals1 and real-time lyrics. Users can already "sing along to their favorite songs" -- this feels like a wasted opportunity in the first sentence to explain the differentiator. It feels like they're misusing/misunderst…

I agree with “show don’t tell” as a general rule for effectiveness in cases like this, but I find it really hard to believe anyone is going to read this and not immediately grasp what is meant by “with adjustable vocals and real-time lyrics”. Obviously you can already sing along, and the question about how this makes it better is answered within the same sentence.

I don't know, @hamburglar -- judging by just the comments in this thread, it wasn't so obvious to others.

And "real-time lyrics" is _already_ in Apple Music.

In your/Apple's defense, the photo they included is pretty clear what's going on. Important to note the footnote on the page -- this isn't even full-fledged karaoke: "The vocal slider adjusts vocal volume, but does not fully remove vocals."

I'm being nitpicky for sure, but that's kind of what HN and similar forums are for. Especially when it's Apple, which I hold to a pretty high standard for product marketing.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by imchillyb »

notpushkin wrote: post #55
crazygringo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not explicit, but from the descriptions it seems to suggest it's performing recognition of the audio streams of what's being sung, and even supports dual streams for duets. So I wouldn't be surprised if it relies on a particular hardware chip that the older Apple TV simply doesn't have. That has definitely been the case for everything Apple has launched with regards to Spatial Audio.

> It's not explicit, but from the descriptions it seems to suggest it's performing recognition of the audio streams of what's being sung, and even supports dual streams for duets. Just curious: what in the article makes you think that?

Not OP, but...

Look at the list of what Apple Sing includes:

Adjustable vocals: Users now have control over a song’s vocal levels. They can sing with the original artist vocals, take the lead, or mix it up on millions of songs in the Apple Music catalog.

Real-time lyrics: Users can sing along to their favorite songs with animated lyrics that dance to the rhythm of the vocals.

Background vocals: Vocal lines sung simultaneously can animate independently from the main vocals to make it easier for users to follow.

Duet view: Multiple vocalists show on opposite sides of the screen to make duets or multi-singer tracks easy to sing along to.

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The part of the article where they state these things explicitly...

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by smohnot »

pilsetnieks wrote: post #8

> and can be enjoyed on iPhone, iPad, and the new Apple TV 4K But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? I get that they want to push device and service adoption but they should pick a lane, either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy.

It uses an “on-device machine learning algorithm that processes the music in real-time.” Perhaps it doesn’t work as well on the old Apple TV? Or just an excuse.
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