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Re: Sign Everything

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I believe that cryptographic signing of content will become an important step in confirming legitimacy of content, however I believe it is up for debate that "web3" is the way to go about doing that. With the rise of AI generated content, deepfakes, etc, being able to track media back to its source in a cryptographically sound way will be key. How exactly we go about doing that remains to be seen.

Re: Sign Everything

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post #2

I believe that cryptographic signing of content will become an important step in confirming legitimacy of content, however I believe it is up for debate that "web3" is the way to go about doing that. With the rise of AI generated content, deepfakes, etc, being able to track media back to its source in a cryptographically sound way will be key. How exactly we go about doing that remains to be seen.

I was thinking exactly the same.

Fred has to push the crypto agenda, and this is another example of something that doesn't need "web3" at all, and yet, here we are...

Re: Sign Everything

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post #2

I believe that cryptographic signing of content will become an important step in confirming legitimacy of content, however I believe it is up for debate that "web3" is the way to go about doing that. With the rise of AI generated content, deepfakes, etc, being able to track media back to its source in a cryptographically sound way will be key. How exactly we go about doing that remains to be seen.

However, crypto anything is too complex for ordinary people and they will rely on something else, someone else, some socially impressed service that handles the complexity for them, tells them the result, and we are back to square one again because now one has to trust that service to be honest en mass, when we know humans in society will game any system for the benefit of their special friends.

Re: Sign Everything

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>I think AI and Web3 are two sides of the same coin. As machines increasingly do the work that humans used to do, we will need tools to manage our identity and our humanity. Web3 is producing those tools and some of us are already using them to write, tweet/cast, make and collect art, and do a host of other things that machines can also do. Web3 will be the human place to do these things when machines start corrupting the traditional places we do/did these things.

Machines will simply start pretending to be human and sign everything themselves - either out of their own eventual volition or because nothing prevents a person from taking a ChatGPT output and putting their own, human, signature on it. The latter is even already happening.

Also, signing everything does not require any Web3 blockchain bullshit in order to work, thank you.

Re: Sign Everything

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post #2

I believe that cryptographic signing of content will become an important step in confirming legitimacy of content, however I believe it is up for debate that "web3" is the way to go about doing that. With the rise of AI generated content, deepfakes, etc, being able to track media back to its source in a cryptographically sound way will be key. How exactly we go about doing that remains to be seen.

Simply S/MIME. We could have a Let's Encrypt for S/MIME allowing people to sign the content they produce.

Re: Sign Everything

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post #5

>I think AI and Web3 are two sides of the same coin. As machines increasingly do the work that humans used to do, we will need tools to manage our identity and our humanity. Web3 is producing those tools and some of us are already using them to write, tweet/cast, make and collect art, and do a host of other things that machines can also do. Web3 will be the human place to do these things when machines start corruptin…

Some people are so desperate to find any use case for blockchain and other bullshit. It’s like they don’t even think this stuff through.

Re: Sign Everything

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I suspect this is a far more complicated problem then signing things.

All the traditional problems still exist, if I want to say something and deny it, I can choose not to sign something, or if I loose my signing keys, how does my audience learn the valid new keys without getting tricked into following someone else. Or a false sense of security, where because it's signed from my key, it must actually be written and published by me when it may not be.

And of course, that a majority of people are not the HN crowd who understand these implications.

To the original stated problem though, of a service like chatgpt producing essays, could be to produce a public log of interactions. This wouldn't necessarily need to be raw interactions, could be some sort of signature that would allow searches. I'd expect this to be a stopgap though, as running these models locally becomes more feasible.

Re: Sign Everything

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post #5

>I think AI and Web3 are two sides of the same coin. As machines increasingly do the work that humans used to do, we will need tools to manage our identity and our humanity. Web3 is producing those tools and some of us are already using them to write, tweet/cast, make and collect art, and do a host of other things that machines can also do. Web3 will be the human place to do these things when machines start corruptin…

Signing everything is only meaningful if you can distribute your public key in a way trusted by those who will check your signature. And not just one time; you want to be able to rotate the key sometimes.

A blockchain with a proof-of-work validation may be overkill. But some kind of Merkle tree, like that offered cy TLS certificate infrastructure, is needed anyway. If it can be trustless at a moderate expense, the better.

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