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Post by spc476 »

miketery wrote: post #250
spc476 wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> should a student be able to turn-in a traced photograph for their homework in a life drawing class? I did just that. It wasn't a life drawing class, just a drawing class. And it wasn't homework, but the do-it-at-home final. I photocopied my hand. Then I covered a sheet of paper with ground graphite (turning it all nearly black), and then used an eraser and a light-box to trace my photocopied hand. Did I cheat? Perh…

Yes that’s cheating. We don’t give runners roller blades right?

Well, there is Oscar Pistorius [1], a double leg amputee (below the knee) who competed in the 2012 Summer Olympics in running events, so ...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Pistorius

Re: AI Homework

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Post by aidenn0 »

tejohnso wrote: post #3
yamtaddle wrote: post #2

Oh thank God, I took a lot of poli-sci classes in college and read that ChatGPT output going, "holy shit, did I totally mis-remember Hobbes' whole deal, was all that time totally wasted if I've got the wrong idea about something that basic?" but no, ChatGPT was just wildly wrong. Phew.

I had no idea, and for me it was another wake up call not to believe everything I read, especially on the internet. I thought it was very well written, made perfect sense, and what motive would there be to lie or misattribute? So I believed and thought I had learned something. I consider myself skeptical, but for things like this I don't have my radar on because it's not a hot topic issue that is known for misinforma…

I thought it read very much like an internet comment by someone who misremembered their HS (or 100 level college) philosophy class.

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Post by brudgers »

spc476 wrote: post #271
miketery wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes that’s cheating. We don’t give runners roller blades right?

Well, there is Oscar Pistorius [1], a double leg amputee (below the knee) who competed in the 2012 Summer Olympics in running events, so ... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Pistorius

there is Oscar Pistorius

Don’t answer the door.

Re: AI Homework

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Post by meowmeowmoo »

somethoughts wrote: post #171
adverbly wrote: post #83

Something I've noticed about chat ais vs direct search is that because a chat ai is a blackbox, I can't dig into an answer's source at all. With a search, I can read the wikipedia sources or I know the forum, or the poster. But with an AI, it's a dead end and it sucks. I can ask people how they know something, but AI training data is invisible. It doesn't know how it knows something. There is this oracle with a 10% c…

I think another important aspect overlooked is that there probably will be AI engine optimization consultants once any AI engine gains popularity - similar to Search Engine Optimziation consultants. The original Google page rank system worked well in the beginning - prior to SEO - but now is largely not used. AI engine optimization consultants will figure out how to game the system - likely targeting the training dat…

So instead of gaming backlinks, you’re gaming volume of content online (ie. training data)

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Post by bee_rider »

joe_the_user wrote: post #204
ako wrote: post #169

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I asked ChatGPT how to write texts so it can be identified as human generated. The answer: "One way to make it clear that a text is not generated by AI is to include a joke or riddle that is difficult for a machine to understand or generate. For example, you could include a joke that relies on wordplay or a complex pun. Here is an example: Why was the math book sad? Because it had too many problems."

It's everyone choice - odd, ironic or appropriate - what to think of how GPT's answers to keeps getting quoted on the question of how to detect it. The thing is, I'd see these answers as similar to everything else the program produces. A bunch of claims from the net cobbled together - I've read a number of Sci-fi novels and stories where "inability to understand humor" is the distinguishing quality of an AI (I'm gues…

I don’t think it was “intentional” so to speak (not that it has intention anyway, so it isn’t clear what distinction I’m trying to make there). But regardless, I’d say it actually succeeded at humor (the contrast of the “clever wordplay” it describes with the lame example is actually pretty funny).

And the idea that the computer would “try” to come up with an example that would trick a computer is itself a little funny, in that it has fallen into giving itself a preposterous task.

But it did definitely fail at clever wordplay.

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Post by DeathArrow »

>AI-generated content is a step beyond that: it does, especially for now, cost money (OpenAI is bearing these costs for now, and they’re | substantial),

How about releasing the trained models to the community and we will take it from there?

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Post by x-complexity »

selcuka wrote: post #264
x-complexity wrote: post #258

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> I don't know. You could have also let someone else do your homework for you. Does that also count as "using tools that you have access to"? Keep in mind that the reverse is also true: If he did try to do it all manually & without the tracing method, is his use of already-available graphite "using tools that you have access to"? Should he be made to go to a mine & dig out coal for graphite in order for it to count a…

> Should he be made to go to a mine & dig out coal for graphite in order for it to count as his work? That argument doesn't make any sense. There are restrictions for any homework, some explictly given by their professor (such as the deadline), and some implicitly known from general academic guidelines and common sense (such as "not using a photocopier in an art class"). Obviously mining coal is not among those restr…

> That argument doesn't make any sense. There are restrictions for any homework, some explictly given by their professor (such as the deadline), and some implicitly known from general academic guidelines and common sense (such as "not using a photocopier in an art class"). Obviously mining coal is not among those restrictions.

...is it?

"general academic guidelines and common sense" is a subjective term that is (context, culture, & environment) dependent: If the social norm was "Your work isn't valuable unless you made the materials yourself", then the use of non-self-made materials (graphite not mined by yourself) is frowned upon.

Relying on "general academic guidelines and common sense" is not a good thing, as it helps to reinforce unequal social norms & anti-non-heteronormative ideologies, as a downstream consequence of majority rule by statistically normal people. Neurodivergent individuals that have significant difficulties grasping "common sense" will & already have been negatively impacted under such a system, where they're told to just "get it" with no guidelines whatsoever.

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Post by DeathArrow »

borroka wrote: post #146
TheHypnotist wrote: post #112

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I had to take the same course, sans the cheating, just as a pre-requisite to Auto CAD and whatever it's called now. I'm not sure how drawing by hand helped me, but it is what it is.

I myself am guilty of this. I went to a technical college and had to spend three years doing hours and hours of technical drawing every week. I was pretty good at it, but I never got into the craft. In the last two years of high school we switched to CAD using the PCs of the time (286, 386, the 486 was as valuable as the wedding ring handed down from generation to generation). Now, almost 30 years after my days of te…

By this very reason people shouldn't have learned addition and multiplication since numerical calculators were made available.

They also absolutely shouldn't have learned to play musical notes since computers can do that.

My point is that learning the very basics of every human endeavor make you better prepared for any situation and will give you a better and deeper understanding.

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Post by DeathArrow »

borroka wrote: post #189
nashashmi wrote: post #172

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That is definitely true, that knowing and understanding a tool is not important to actually succeeding with the tool. But it does help a confused person understand why tools are made the way they are. In Fact, Modern programs in CAD do not follow the tools and principles that AutoCAD emphasizes. And those programs have charted a different course where the history and legacy of technical drawings has less relevance. (…

I would say that there is an overemphasis, although understandable, on the usefulness of what happened or was used before the current state, position or technology. For example, with regard to technical drawing, we might say that using the pencil, the square, and the drafting machine gives an understanding of drawing that the use of the computer cannot. But, for some reason, we don't say that using your finger and sa…

>but no one says that between 1900 and 1910 people dressed with such great taste.

I like how people dressed in 1900s.

Re: AI Homework

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Post by DeathArrow »

martin-adams wrote: post #121
otikik wrote: post #102

One of my subjects at highchool was technical drawing. The teacher was a quite old man who was set on his ways. We would have to draw 3D pieces by hand, using our squares, bevels and compasses, and lining everything with an ink pencil afterwards, and he gave us a lot of homework to do, which he examined for imperfections. I was incredibly bad a it. I would start a drawing, only to discover halfway through it that it…

How easy do you think it is to spot when AI is being used?

I played quite a bit with ChatGPT. Many times some of the answers are absurd or completely irrational. So that might be a hint.

Some times, though, the answers are false but plausible.

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