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Re: AI Homework

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Post by qualudeheart »

otikik wrote: post #102

One of my subjects at highchool was technical drawing. The teacher was a quite old man who was set on his ways. We would have to draw 3D pieces by hand, using our squares, bevels and compasses, and lining everything with an ink pencil afterwards, and he gave us a lot of homework to do, which he examined for imperfections. I was incredibly bad a it. I would start a drawing, only to discover halfway through it that it…

Lying to your teacher is justified if he’s forcing you to suffer through that. Art class is a surprisingly absuvie class when it could be so fun, therapeutic.

Re: AI Homework

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Post by qualudeheart »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #49

Zero Trust Homework is a fascinating idea, as described in the article, but I don't know how many teachers will adapt because they'll just end up confusing themselves. When you read too many lies, you might start forgetting the truth yourself. Instead, what I think there will be a much greater short term market for, is a system that will run the teacher's homework assignment (with variations) against GPT-3, ChatGPT,…

Just abolish homework.

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Post by qualudeheart »

fellerts wrote: post #7

There has been a lot of "well, we had a good run" comments on ChatGPT threads from engineers lately. I get where this sentiment is coming from, but I also think that the article paints a good picture of how we must "pivot" as a species to avoid faceplanting completely. Zero Trust Homework sounds like a strategy we will be forced to implement: the system will frequently give the wrong answers (and not just on accident…

Coexistence with AI can go very well. If ir doesn’t…

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Post by selcuka »

spc476 wrote: post #237
joe_the_user wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To put it with maximum extremity, should a student be able to turn-in a traced photograph for their homework in a life drawing class? I mean, human beings have produced a lot of tools for aiding themselves in tasks that were previously done by hand. Whether a given hand-skill should be learned and preserved kind of has to decided on a case-by-case basis. I learned cursive in school and I wouldn't object to that skill…

> should a student be able to turn-in a traced photograph for their homework in a life drawing class? I did just that. It wasn't a life drawing class, just a drawing class. And it wasn't homework, but the do-it-at-home final. I photocopied my hand. Then I covered a sheet of paper with ground graphite (turning it all nearly black), and then used an eraser and a light-box to trace my photocopied hand. Did I cheat? Perh…

I don't know. You could have also let someone else do your homework for you. Does that also count as "using tools that you have access to"?

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Post by [deleted] »

spc476 wrote: post #237
joe_the_user wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To put it with maximum extremity, should a student be able to turn-in a traced photograph for their homework in a life drawing class? I mean, human beings have produced a lot of tools for aiding themselves in tasks that were previously done by hand. Whether a given hand-skill should be learned and preserved kind of has to decided on a case-by-case basis. I learned cursive in school and I wouldn't object to that skill…

> should a student be able to turn-in a traced photograph for their homework in a life drawing class? I did just that. It wasn't a life drawing class, just a drawing class. And it wasn't homework, but the do-it-at-home final. I photocopied my hand. Then I covered a sheet of paper with ground graphite (turning it all nearly black), and then used an eraser and a light-box to trace my photocopied hand. Did I cheat? Perh…

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Post by x-complexity »

miketery wrote: post #250
spc476 wrote: post #237

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> should a student be able to turn-in a traced photograph for their homework in a life drawing class? I did just that. It wasn't a life drawing class, just a drawing class. And it wasn't homework, but the do-it-at-home final. I photocopied my hand. Then I covered a sheet of paper with ground graphite (turning it all nearly black), and then used an eraser and a light-box to trace my photocopied hand. Did I cheat? Perh…

Yes that’s cheating. We don’t give runners roller blades right?

> Yes that’s cheating. We don’t give runners roller blades right?

The context surrounding both scenarios couldn't be more different:

GP's context: An assignment wherein the process of getting there isn't placed on a pedestal, rather that it's supposed to showcase a basic understanding of how to get to a desired result. Furthermore, objectivity within the assignment's field is nearly non-existent.

Your context: A highly-competitive scenario wherein *BOTH* the process of getting to the goal & the goal itself are important, and where *there are* objective metrics that can be used to rank & sort the participants involved in said competition.

They're as different as apples & oranges.

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Post by x-complexity »

selcuka wrote: post #255
spc476 wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> should a student be able to turn-in a traced photograph for their homework in a life drawing class? I did just that. It wasn't a life drawing class, just a drawing class. And it wasn't homework, but the do-it-at-home final. I photocopied my hand. Then I covered a sheet of paper with ground graphite (turning it all nearly black), and then used an eraser and a light-box to trace my photocopied hand. Did I cheat? Perh…

I don't know. You could have also let someone else do your homework for you. Does that also count as "using tools that you have access to"?

> I don't know. You could have also let someone else do your homework for you. Does that also count as "using tools that you have access to"?

Keep in mind that the reverse is also true: If he did try to do it all manually & without the tracing method, is his use of already-available graphite "using tools that you have access to"? Should he be made to go to a mine & dig out coal for graphite in order for it to count as his work?

Re: AI Homework

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Post by Balgair »

Jevon23 wrote: post #142
mytherin wrote: post #128

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While I can (unfortunately) see this happening - it seems incredibly futile and pointless to try and fight such an arms race. When AI-supported writing becomes the norm having students write essays without AI-assistance will be like trying to force students to do complex arithmetic without calculators. Universities and schools need to accept that writing essays without AI support will simply not be a useful skill any…

>Universities and schools need to accept that writing essays without AI support will simply not be a useful skill anymore It’s kind of mind-blowing that anyone could think this. You’re posting on a website for essays. Small essays, generally speaking, if we restrict ourselves to the comments section, but essays nonetheless. You yourself just wrote one, because you wanted to express your thoughts on an issue and you w…

Don't you use spellcheck? word autocomplete? the bigger version of autocomplete that does the rest of the sentence?

Yeah, a whole essay is a lot different than just a few words here and there.

But a lot arguments here are that you have to draw a line somewhere between spellcheck and full AI.

And the article is arguing that you can't do that, there is no line. AI, just like spellcheck, is coming and there is not really anything you can to to stop it. Sure, you can be a digital luddite and spellcheck all your own words, but we all know that not going to cut it in the marketplace. Same with AI.

Re: AI Homework

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Post by Balgair »

bryan0 wrote: post #238
salamandars wrote: post #230

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Who is going to write the content these AI are trained on?

I mean eventually AI will be writing most of the content.

By the way, that's not a loop. The feedback from humans will keep it from going full skynet-y. Also, the tweaks of all the little S/W neurons keeps it fresh too.
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