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Re: AI Homework

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

joe_the_user wrote: post #211
otikik wrote: post #102

One of my subjects at highchool was technical drawing. The teacher was a quite old man who was set on his ways. We would have to draw 3D pieces by hand, using our squares, bevels and compasses, and lining everything with an ink pencil afterwards, and he gave us a lot of homework to do, which he examined for imperfections. I was incredibly bad a it. I would start a drawing, only to discover halfway through it that it…

To put it with maximum extremity, should a student be able to turn-in a traced photograph for their homework in a life drawing class? I mean, human beings have produced a lot of tools for aiding themselves in tasks that were previously done by hand. Whether a given hand-skill should be learned and preserved kind of has to decided on a case-by-case basis. I learned cursive in school and I wouldn't object to that skill…

> To put it with maximum extremity, should a student be able to turn-in a traced photograph for their homework in a life drawing class?

Vermeer may have done effectively that and painted projections (from a camera obscura or similar device). He's still widely considered one of the greatest artists of the Dutch Golden Age.

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Post by eurasiantiger »

deepspace wrote: post #240
otikik wrote: post #102

One of my subjects at highchool was technical drawing. The teacher was a quite old man who was set on his ways. We would have to draw 3D pieces by hand, using our squares, bevels and compasses, and lining everything with an ink pencil afterwards, and he gave us a lot of homework to do, which he examined for imperfections. I was incredibly bad a it. I would start a drawing, only to discover halfway through it that it…

I did not go to a technical high school and therefore had no opportunity to learn technical drawing in school. When I when to university to study electronics and computer engineering, I had to take technical drawing as a required subject. Needless to say, I sucked at it, and it was the one and only class that I ever failed. I passed with flying colours the second time around, and still graduated in minimum time, thou…

You can’t always have your AutoCAD with you when taking measurements off real-world objects. An engineer must be able to draw and write unambiguously.

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Post by jrgoff »

nicopappl wrote: post #194

Like Stratechery, my immediate concern is education. But not just homeworks (which actually were already criticized, I think the gears are already moving with regard to relying less on this kind of assignments) The real problem is entry-level opportunities. As a developer, I experienced first hand how great ChatGPT is. I can just submit an undecipherable bash one-liner I wrote 6 months ago and it will explain in deta…

I don't see why it shouldn't work the same general way learning to program now does. E.g. problem sets that explore the important concepts but now the students can use tooling like ChatGPT to help with it. This will likely change what problem sets should look like, and what are considered important concepts to learn may need to adjust some but that will settle out. Alternatively, like today, maybe someone will be interested in writing their own computer game and will dig into figuring that out - they'll still be learning how to do it as they go, but will now have more powerful tools available to help them get there.

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Post by bilsbie »

I wish we’d just drop the concept of homework after all this AI stuff. It’s long overdue.

Instead do the “homework” in class and get help as needed.

Then at home you watch the lectures and compile your questions which will show up in your next homework session.

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Post by datagram »

dragonwriter wrote: post #17

> This is a confident answer, complete with supporting evidence and a citation to Hobbes work, and it is completely wrong. This is a confident criticism, but the referenced AI response does not cite supporting evidence, it just states (mostly incorrect) conclusions about Hobbes positions; it also has no specific citation to Hobbes work, handwaving at it referencing only the title of a book.

I think you're being a bit pedantic. The point is that the response referenced a specific book written by Hobbes to support its argument, which lends the essay a lot more credibility than it would otherwise have.

Though now I wonder if adding "include MLA citations" to the prompt would get ChatGPT to make up citations as well.

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Post by ghaff »

alvah wrote: post #239
micromacrofoot wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's as easy to detect ChatGPT output as you're making it out to be. Sure, it might be possible to detect it if you know what you're looking for, but to the average person, it's not that obvious.

There are already several services that claim to detect GPTx with high reliability. I’ve been testing originality.ai and it’s success rate at detecting unedited GPT3, Jasper, and ChatGPT output has been 100% so far.

I assume this is being added to the plagiarism detectors as we speak.

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Post by plastiquebeech »

fellerts wrote: post #7

There has been a lot of "well, we had a good run" comments on ChatGPT threads from engineers lately. I get where this sentiment is coming from, but I also think that the article paints a good picture of how we must "pivot" as a species to avoid faceplanting completely. Zero Trust Homework sounds like a strategy we will be forced to implement: the system will frequently give the wrong answers (and not just on accident…

Not necessarily a new idea, but it's a good one. One of my schoolteachers edited a historical figure's Wikipedia page the day before a major essay about them was due.

The need to check your sources is an important lesson to learn early, AI or no.

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Post by shagie »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #241
joe_the_user wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To put it with maximum extremity, should a student be able to turn-in a traced photograph for their homework in a life drawing class? I mean, human beings have produced a lot of tools for aiding themselves in tasks that were previously done by hand. Whether a given hand-skill should be learned and preserved kind of has to decided on a case-by-case basis. I learned cursive in school and I wouldn't object to that skill…

> To put it with maximum extremity, should a student be able to turn-in a traced photograph for their homework in a life drawing class? Vermeer may have done effectively that and painted projections (from a camera obscura or similar device). He's still widely considered one of the greatest artists of the Dutch Golden Age.

You're looking for a Camera Lucida. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_lucida

A modern version of it can be found https://neolucida.com

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Post by CuriouslyC »

sshumaker wrote: post #131
CuriouslyC wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a simple solution to the AI spam issue (and spam in general) - a social trust graph at the heart of content aggregation and discovery. Associate all content with real humans and allow people to control their level of trust in other humans, then derive a trust score for content based on a weighted combination of your trust of the creator and the trust your friends put in the creator. When bad content shows up…

That’s how PageRank effectively worked, and people created deep networks of pages voting for each other. To solve this problem for real you either need Sybil protection or to make it economically infeasible (impose a tax for making content available). To some extent I have been wondering for a while if prioritizing Ads in Google Search is Google’s way of creating that economic barrier to spam content (for some meanin…

Two points to note - first, if individual users have trust graphs rather than having a single global trust graph, this sort of gaming is basically impossible outside of exploits. Second, this behavior is detectable using clique detection and graph clustering, so if you're not limited by the constraints of a near real-time production system it's fairly straightforward to defeat it (or at least relegate it to unprofitability).

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Post by miketery »

spc476 wrote: post #237
joe_the_user wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To put it with maximum extremity, should a student be able to turn-in a traced photograph for their homework in a life drawing class? I mean, human beings have produced a lot of tools for aiding themselves in tasks that were previously done by hand. Whether a given hand-skill should be learned and preserved kind of has to decided on a case-by-case basis. I learned cursive in school and I wouldn't object to that skill…

> should a student be able to turn-in a traced photograph for their homework in a life drawing class? I did just that. It wasn't a life drawing class, just a drawing class. And it wasn't homework, but the do-it-at-home final. I photocopied my hand. Then I covered a sheet of paper with ground graphite (turning it all nearly black), and then used an eraser and a light-box to trace my photocopied hand. Did I cheat? Perh…

Yes that’s cheating.

We don’t give runners roller blades right?

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