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Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by visarga »

baxtr wrote: post #184

Sorry, I had to do it. I asked GPT3... How can we prevent drowning in garbage generated by AI? > Preventing drowning in AI-generated garbage can be a challenging task, but there are a few things that can be done to reduce the amount of garbage that is generated. One approach is to carefully design and train AI systems to generate high-quality content, rather than relying on large amounts of data to produce mediocre r…

Spot on with verification. It's going to be big. There could be neural nets specialised in verification.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by warpech »

nine_k wrote: post #359
tetraca wrote: post #331

Upload your fake text and images anywhere. Upload it everywhere. Upload it as yourself. Upload it on behest of your willing friends. Corrupt your face in dozens of ways, then tag each as yourself. When everything is garbage, shadow profiles will mean nothing, social credit scores will mean nothing, analytics will mean nothing. Centralization can be turned on its head - the watering hole will be revealed to be the dan…

This reminds me of the great novel Fiasco by Stanislaw Łem [1]. The civilization described in the novel fills the entire radio spectrum with noise, to make efficient communication impossible (and possibly to also allow highly sophisticated noise-like encrypted communication be undetectable). Their society is pretty dystopian though. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiasco_(novel)

Also the book _The Cyberiad_ by Lem is now more relevant than ever. It is a set of short stories, mostly about messing with generative AI, AI assistants, etc.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by visarga »

practice9 wrote: post #313
Nathanba wrote: post #247

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I find the AI competition to be yet another powerful reminder that all that matters are results. I can't count how much time I've spent being angry at people in my life, even though I always knew that it was stupid. Angry at bad docs, bad programmers, bad decisions, their inability to think or understand or care or feel. Now the AI removes it all. The AI generates truth out of thin air faster than any human can inven…

It will remove a large amount of stress from people's lives for sure. When an AI model can explain the non-obvious bug in the code written by the developer who left the company 2 years ago - that's quite powerful. Saves more time for other stuff Though at some point it may create new sources of stress (like much discussed job security when the other job candidate is the AI model)

A company firing its human experts in favour of AI is a bad sign, probably going to fail. If business was good they would hire additional humans and use more AI. The purpose of a company is not to reduce salary costs, but to increase profits.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by visarga »

EamonnMR wrote: post #291
notacoward wrote: post #205

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That's honestly one of the best comments in this entire thread. Instead of veering predictably into philosophy or anecdote, it provides concrete and feasible steps toward improvement. No better way to make the point that "AI generated" is not the problem and "garbage" is.

In this case though, it's not a solution at all. The question isn't how producers of garbage produce less garbage, it's how consumers of content can avoid being inundated by garbage. We may well ask 'please don't produce less garbage' and the producers have given us a resounding 'no.'

Fight fire with fire. Local language model doing question answering takes search and web garbage in, outputs polite and helpful responses without ads and tracking.

But let's take this idea one step further. We could also have a neural index. There are a few promising papers.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by rcarr »

rcarr wrote: post #273
baandam wrote: post #137

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I we have already seen this play out in music though. Computers let anyone record music when it use to cost thousands of dollars to record music. The results have been a disaster outside the top 1% of music makers. Such a dramatic change that anyone under 30 doesn't even know what has been lost at this point. Music as a whole is laughably less creative as "popular" / pop music established total dominance. The money a…

I used to feel the same way but I eventually came to realise that there’s tons of good music being created, it’s the social aspect of music that has been destroyed. Individual algorithm recommendations have subsumed sub cultures. Music used to be part of both your individual and group identity, it would influence what your wore, what you read, what you thought, who you hanged out with and what bars you visited. Techn…

Coincidentally, just came across this which is a nice take:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/dec/05/has-spotify-re...

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by fnordpiglet »

moe091 wrote: post #387
fnordpiglet wrote: post #239

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Here’s a solution: Go ask ChatGPT your question about python. It’s spew is probably better than the SEO spew. I feel like species traitor taking the side of the AI, but I think this is probably a decent way of answering a lot of questions based on a factual and rational basis that have been answered multiple times. A lot of hoopla is made over the fact you can trick it with a false premise into giving a false answer…

Going off your point, even if we aren't quite there yet, there is no reason to suppose that AI won't eventually be massively better at basically ALL things than humans - that's certain the direction we're headed, and very quickly too. This is just the very beginning of the problem. It's time for people to start thinking about how to live in a world where they are "obsolete". All jobs, or, being conservative, at least…

I actually strongly disagree here with the conclusion you make. I think these are going to be tools that enhance the human mind. It’ll enable the average person to be exceptional by using the AI as guidance. It’ll enable the brilliant to exploit the AIs in novel and clever ways that were not possible before. The humans place is in the use of a tool, the tool doesn’t replace the human.

The challenge will be instead is there enough useful work to keep everyone paid in a post scarcity world? The advent of the useful AI will probably necessitate some very very serious thought about how we allocate and distribute capital.

But I don’t believe artists will be replaced by an AI any more than they were by the camera. Or that streaming will kill music. Etc.

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Post by kashunstva »

BeFlatXIII wrote: post #374
drdaeman wrote: post #341

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While I honestly do want to support this approach because unlike the alternative it might (just "might", though) work, I regretfully must also admit that the huge problem with this is collateral damage. There are millions of humans out there that are either highly susceptible to or are already caught into believing all sorts of nonsense, getting scammed in all forms, costing them money, time, well-being and even live…

It’s only a problem that large numbers are easily duped no matter how much education we give them when it’s also coupled with no-questions-asked universal suffrage.

It depends in part on the quality of what is passed off as education. After twelve years of US public education in the 1970’s and 80’s, not once did critical thinking tools, types and sources of bias, and default-mode skepticism come up. I’d rather work on improving that, rather than making it even harder for citizens to vote.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by [deleted] »

rcarr wrote: post #363
lovehashbrowns wrote: post #330

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The vast majority of people don't care. Netflix's recommendation algorithm helped take down physical video rental stores and TikTok's algorithm is taking out Instagram, Facebook, and even YouTube. Vinyl is particularly annoying to deal with. Even a small collection gets unwieldy quickly. I prefer physical books to ebooks but physical books are annoying to deal with, too. I've just given up on physical books for the m…

People prefer the path of least resistance until the price becomes too high. When people realise they are obese, they generally try and lose weight. I strongly suspect that with the next wave of AI, more and more people are going to come to the conclusion that the price is too high. There is significant tech pushback already, I can only see that growing as it erodes even more people’s values and livelihoods.

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Post by visarga »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #280
visarga wrote: post #277

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People scale. There's billions of us. And we compete.

AIs scale faster. Just one instance can do the work of billions of people, and have its owner profit off it.

How can the owner profit off something that is "free" to make for anyone? Mass spamming is hard to achieve with current day social networks.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

visarga wrote: post #399
TeMPOraL wrote: post #280

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AIs scale faster. Just one instance can do the work of billions of people, and have its owner profit off it.

How can the owner profit off something that is "free" to make for anyone? Mass spamming is hard to achieve with current day social networks.

Mass spamming is the very raison d'etre for social network companies. It goes by different names though - "sponsored content", "fanpages", "influencers", etc.

The spam did not disappear with people moving away from e-mail. On the contrary, it's just been given legitimacy by the platform owners - who all happen to make money from spam.

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