For people who genuinely enjoy their jobs, this would be quite painful. I imagine doing this where I work and the employees would revolt.
VW deactivates employee email outside working hours
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Germany has plenty of unions and Mercedes, BMW, Audi seem to be doing well enough You have two sides, with U.S. on one side where workers just work, with little thought for quality of life, and the other side is Europe, where they get paid a bit less, but they have 4 weeks vacation and much less demanding work load. I dunno about you, but I'd gladly sacrifice $10K(which is pretty much the whole difference between the…
That European social model is about to go bankrupt. (The American one soon thereafter, though not for lack of hard work.)
But not the German one. Actually it's one of the best working system in the world nowadays. And if you look at other well performing countries in Europe - Scandinavia, Switzerland, they are nowhere working like crazy. Holland has quite a sustainable pension system. I think you are over-generalizing. Sure, some countries are in deep shit, but that's not the social model that's in cause, rather a lack of accounting, lower business moral, lower education level, etc. There are also non social states going bankrupt.
I think you miss the point, this move from VW is actually acknowledging that taking time off is a step toward more productivity. I also think that having time for family, culture and further education on non related topics is the best way to make you a round person and thus someone who will be highly efficient in its job life. If that's how you would define Europe, it hasn't worked that bad... I mean, there have been centuries some people are saying the demise of Europe, but it's still one of the richest big area in the world.
Europe has gone through so much more worse crisis than the debt crisis, it will take its game together and solve it.
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Did you know most stores close at 8PM on weekdays?
Is that supposed to be different from the states, where many retail stores close sometime between 7-9pm?
If you're a mom and pop or speciality shop you may close between 7 and 9 (usually closer to 9), but most of the regional or national "stores" close between 10pm and 12am.
Grocery stores are even better, generally either closing at 12am or not closing at all. Wal-Mart, for instance, is mostly 24 hours, and Wal-Mart is very widespread.
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Did you know most stores close at 8PM on weekdays?
Is that supposed to be different from the states, where many retail stores close sometime between 7-9pm?
I think there is a difference. In German States, some states stipulate business hours†. In the US (and most other places) it's up to the businesses to decide their business hours.
Regarding the "supposed" part. I don't know exactly but I don't think there was some coordination or agreement between nations on who would do what.
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Germany has plenty of unions and Mercedes, BMW, Audi seem to be doing well enough You have two sides, with U.S. on one side where workers just work, with little thought for quality of life, and the other side is Europe, where they get paid a bit less, but they have 4 weeks vacation and much less demanding work load. I dunno about you, but I'd gladly sacrifice $10K(which is pretty much the whole difference between the…
When you consider that in the UK NI is 11/12% and that covers the NHS and your state pension plus SERPS (second state pension) and unemployment benefits. I knew a guy who emigrated to the USA and was working for CITI and was paying a bigger % of his pay just for his health cover.
The NHS is incredibly efficient in terms of ROI, the cost per person of the NHS is less than the cost of overhead admin work for healthcare in the US.
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In a lot of cases the stuff is habitual, at which point you get extremely irritated that people keep screwing up and all the time you're the one who has to clean up the mess. Yea sometimes stuff happens, and I don't think most people have a problem with helping out. But so many times it makes people feel used, which (at least IMO) is why people have this sentiment.
It's a matter of respect for yourself, and the time of others. People who don't respect their own time won't respect the time of others that much. People who think their time is more important than others time will also abuse the time of others. If I bust my tail getting something done for you that you needed and you can't do the same for something I needed, I'm now doubly under the gun. If I said hey, I have to be t…
"Sadly, most offices are daycares for adults. People act out their high school insecurities on an epic scale and wonder why they aren't getting anywhere in life."
Can you elaborate? This was a fun teaser but you didn't flesh it out enough.
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(If) What's best for you is making the most money you can. and .. if you want to achieve this by doing the least work possible, and creating work for others, they will not help you be more successful at your job. A real successful team, person, and company will all believe in getting more work done with less collective effort. So, if I make my job easier, it shouldn't make your job harder. Sadly, too many people in m…
> What's best for you is making the most money you can. I can't even begin to fathom that mindset. No amount of money is worth my health. None. I walked out on a great-paying job that turned into a clusterfuck and voluntarily did nothing for a year for exactly that reason. I worked way below market for quite a while for that reason. I'm working somewhat below market even now for that reason. I keep score in happiness…
> I keep score in happiness and satisfaction, not dollars.
The only way to win at society's collective pissing contest is to opt out.
I believe that this is the secret of work: find the work that gives you more satisfaction than pain, and become the very best you can at it. The money will follow, and it will no longer control you. What controls you now is a sort of purpose that you find through your work. Mind you, it doesn't negate the fact that there will be unpleasant/unsexy things to do at work. (That is one reason why you're getting paid for it, after all.) And it may even make it harder, as you now have a greater emotional involvement in your work.
Purposelessness will suck you dry. I think people instinctively know this when they choose salary over happiness, they just believe it to be inevitable.
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Let's start a union.
That solves problems and creates problems. Many things that are decided today based upon merit or by management discretion become tenure based. That is good and bad. The good: - Your contract will require things to be done in a fair and equitable way, per the contract. - Your pay will be more predictable. - Benefits will probably be better. - You will have an advocate in the event of a dispute. The bad: - Your contra…
You are wrongly assuming that M&P (managerial and professional) unions follow the old craft based union model which no M&P union does.
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#70How do they differentiate critical communication which should get thru?
How would this work at a place like Amazon, for example? Even with 24hr staffing, there are some instances when the right person(s) are needed. Letting only messages marked as critical thru could lead to most off-hour massages categorized as important. I can see this working in some industries, but not all.