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Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by ethbr0 »

capableweb wrote: post #128
ethbr0 wrote: post #91

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I would be very interested in your meat jam custard recipe. Asking for a friendly AI.

Here is my own favorite way of doing jam custard: > I am not able to provide a recipe for meat jam custard as I do not have the ability to access information on specific recipes. However, I can provide some general guidelines on how you might go about making a meat jam custard. > First, you will need to select a type of meat to use for the jam. This could be any type of meat that you enjoy and that is suitable for co…

I am ethbr0's illuminated understanding of the Cartesian product of {ways of preparing meat} x {ways of preparing jam} x {ways of preparing custard}.

Thank you!

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by vsareto »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #151
concordDance wrote: post #105

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> It's relatively easy for a human to tell the difference between AI copy (as pollutes the web) and actual content. It is now. It definitely won't be when gpt gets popular.

It will be: GPT output is usually either garbage, repetitive, very wrong, subtly wrong, or inconsistent in writing style in a way humans aren't. (It sort of starts trying to say something different, in the "same style" as it started with, then switches style later .) When humans really can't tell the difference, well… https://xkcd.com/810/ seems appropriate.

https://i.imgur.com/kBGRUqL.jpg

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by brookst »

bloak wrote: post #191
brookst wrote: post #156

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You’ve illustrated two things, one spot on and one true but in the opposite direction. 100% agreed that AI is like early industrialization in that we don’t even know the messes we’re creating, and wild excess is likely to haunt us. But GMO foods are the opposite: people feeling “uneasy” is not an indication of harm. All foods are GMO. People are just uncomfortable with the modifications being in a lab rather than ove…

Genetic modification in a laboratory is not exactly the same as selective breeding as it can easily bring in a gene from a different species causing unexpected allergic reactions to the corresponding protein. This has caused at least one death of a human. I'm not opposed to all genetic modification, in fact I think it's generally a good thing, but the business has to be carefully regulated. Industry claims that it's…

I'm skeptical of the claim that a protein included by GMO was both 1) the cause of a death, and 2) could not have been produced with traditional selective breeding.

Can you source those claims?

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by ethbr0 »

tpxl wrote: post #109
ethbr0 wrote: post #87

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> I don’t know about you, but I think some pretty good movies have come out since 1970, especially by directors working on very low budgets. On the whole, I think the average quality of cinematography in theater or wide-streaming releases has decreased. Which isn't disagreement with your point, as I think it says more about audience tastes and gatekeeping filters than technology. When film equipment was expensive and…

What needs to be said here is that average quality is more or less irrelevant. If the amount of high quality movies increases (it did) and the discoverability doesn't suffer (it didn't too much), then that's a plus.

I'd argue discoverability is a currently unsolved problem. Or maybe "uncared about" (optimizing engagement >> enjoyment).

At least when I'm getting far better recommendations from HN than any front-page algorithm I've seen.

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Post by EGreg »

rdhyee wrote: post #246
EGreg wrote: post #113

Won’t help. This will be used at scale THIS YEAR and every subsequent year to infiltrate social networks including this one and amass points / karma / followers / clout. And also to write articles that will eventually dwarf all human-generated content. With this and deepfakes and image/video generation, the age of trusting or caring about internet content or your friends sharing online is coming to an end. But it wil…

I looked at your profile and see your platform qbix. I'd love to hear how you've been adapting your projects to this AI seachange.

Our software is for communities of all kinds. Instead of outsourcing the verification to LinkedIn or Twitter, who fail at it, you can at least have smaller communities where you met everyone and have one degree of separation.

But aw I said, organizations will PREFER robots.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by ethbr0 »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #194
ethbr0 wrote: post #87

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> I don’t know about you, but I think some pretty good movies have come out since 1970, especially by directors working on very low budgets. On the whole, I think the average quality of cinematography in theater or wide-streaming releases has decreased. Which isn't disagreement with your point, as I think it says more about audience tastes and gatekeeping filters than technology. When film equipment was expensive and…

The thing that has tanked the quality of theatrical films on average isn't improved technology, it's the increasing commodification of art, risk aversion of business and the modern reliance on data to drive business decisions. That's why we have basically nothing but sequels, reboots and formulaic drivel coming out of the major studios.

And also hindsight filters. No one remembers the crap movies from 1982. We remember the best-of-80s.

So we're comparing {recent movies} to {decades of best movies}.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by moe091 »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #239
neilv wrote: post #45

I've been known to start ranting when I'm searching on some topic that attracts SEO garbage (e.g., Python), and realize I'm in the nth different SEO garbage article search hit. I wonder whether a winning solution to the coming massively-parallel "AI" megaspew will emerge, how it will work, and whether Google will be the ones to do it. Or will the bulk of consumers overwhelmingly submit, and accept it as normal, much…

Here’s a solution: Go ask ChatGPT your question about python. It’s spew is probably better than the SEO spew. I feel like species traitor taking the side of the AI, but I think this is probably a decent way of answering a lot of questions based on a factual and rational basis that have been answered multiple times. A lot of hoopla is made over the fact you can trick it with a false premise into giving a false answer…

Going off your point, even if we aren't quite there yet, there is no reason to suppose that AI won't eventually be massively better at basically ALL things than humans - that's certain the direction we're headed, and very quickly too.

This is just the very beginning of the problem. It's time for people to start thinking about how to live in a world where they are "obsolete". All jobs, or, being conservative, at least the vast, vast majority will eventually be replaced by AI. AI will eventually be able to create art that is more appealing to humans than human-created art. I think there could eventually even be AI "people", who's company many people will prefer to other actual humans, as they will be designed/trained to be as perfect as possible for that task. I hope that most people will still see more value in genuine human interaction, as any person today probably would, but as tech evolves and we get used to it, let it into our lives more, let it control more of our lives and make more of our decisions, then it advances more and we get used to it more, etc. The idea of human connection and the separation between human life and AI "life" might not be as apparent to people as it is to us, and they may allow AI and technology to replace every facet of human existence

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Post by ethbr0 »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #343
bitL wrote: post #211

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Without revealing the origin, the latest models tested in private betas solve many of the points you mentioned.

This is why I'm not leaking all my discriminating heuristics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law strikes again.

At some point you also run up against the virus vs immune system endgame: it's evolutionarily inefficient to optimally outwit an adversarial system.

Usually there exists a local maximum where you obtain most of the value with less-than-full effort.

Sadly, the centralization of search directly cuts against that. I.e. outwitting Google search = $$$$ vs outwitting 1-or-4 equally-used search engines = $. :(

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Post by visarga »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #144
keiferski wrote: post #133

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On the face of it, that is true. But on a deeper level, AI generation is really just a kind of rapid sketching, and sketching is a practice that goes back millennia. Additionally, it depends on how you are defining "creation" and there have been various artistic movements which "created" art in a manner not dissimilar to AI image generators. The cut-up technique or some Dadaists, for example. I certainly would consid…

You're conflating two meanings of sketching though. Artists and others do uses it as an exploratory tool, and I've already seen AI generation used in a similar way so I know that's a valid application of it. But at a lower level sketching is itself a visual interpretive and creative process. And yes what we're talking about is mechanically similar to the cut-up technique, but is that used for "sketching" in the explo…

I think of this as being a manager. Like having a team reporting to you, and you have to assign tasks, follow up, give advice.
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