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Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by ethbr0 »

fmajid wrote: post #79
ethbr0 wrote: post #77

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Ironically, the 90s solution (human-curated link collections) to Internet-wide searches seems the easiest way out. It's relatively easy for a human to tell the difference between AI copy (as pollutes the web) and actual content. It's also strange that Google et al. haven't built human-in-the-loop flagging of spam content into their search UX ("Is this site low quality?"). They could get around flag spam via reputatio…

> It's relatively easy for a human to tell the difference between AI copy (as pollutes the web) and actual content. No: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

The Sokal affair says more about the dynamics of academic publishing than it does about humans' ability to key to nuances.

And "as pollutes the web" -> we're not talking about state of the art.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by ginko »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #29
jorgemf wrote: post #20

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I think the problem you are describing is not only about AI, it is about trusting your sources of information. I can happen with content from humans.

I have cookbooks, both physical and in digital formats, but it's usually faster to do a web search, especially when I mostly need cooking time and temperature. Perhaps this will motivate me to finally get around the setting up a local search function for my electronic cookbook collection as the web is going to be less and less trustworthy.

For all its flaws I find Youtube is one of the best sources for recipes these days. Especially when you search in the language of the country the dishes are from and use CC auto-translate.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by fmajid »

thfuran wrote: post #40
keiferski wrote: post #34

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Filmmaking devices have gotten cheaper consistently over the last ~50 years. I don’t know about you, but I think some pretty good movies have come out since 1970, especially by directors working on very low budgets.

I don't think the making of the original blade runner involved much in the way of modern AI. I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to say.

An Avid nonlinear video editing station used to cost $100K. Nowadays you can do the same with software costing $300 on the computer you already have. You can get a mirrorless video camera that blows away the Sony CineAlta ones George Lucas used to shoot the Star Wars prequels for under a grand. This has removed a huge chunk of production costs and make indie film-making much more viable. The only limits are your imagination and the salaries of the actors and camera crew.

AI-generated animation is already being used by industry giants like Toei, and will likely be the first application to hit the screens.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by wjholden »

Karunamon wrote: post #39
jorgemf wrote: post #20

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I think the problem you are describing is not only about AI, it is about trusting your sources of information. I can happen with content from humans.

I have never encountered GPs problem where the recipe itself (the thing I was searching for) rather than the surrounding SEO fluff was AI generated trash. If this problem widely proliferates, especially into other domains, curation is going to become absolutely vital.

There's a lot of junk writing that may or may not be authored by humans about health and fitness. Search Google for "how to do more pull-ups" and you'll find thousands of long, meandering, trash articles of generic common sense with stock images and lots of ads on spammy domains.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by dontwearitout »

jaggs wrote: post #2

The pendulum will start to swing back. The problem is, what will replace the garbage and satisfy the instant, easy, dopamine addiction?

It's made me consider my habits, and how much time I spend consuming internet content or comment threads which may (even today) be completely fabricated or autogenerated. I'm hoping I can use this inflection point as motivation to unplug a bit and spend more time enjoying being human and enjoying the real world.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by watmough »

Sadly the killer app of Facebook is to meet and enable precisely the kinds of local community the author is suggesting.

In a sense, Marketplace is the new Facebook. A buddy is just swinging by with some Rx-7 TII brakes for my NA. We have been trading parts for the last couple years.

I was at a car show yesterday, who did I know, Facebook buds.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by ethbr0 »

keiferski wrote: post #34
sorokod wrote: post #24

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Yeah, that happened, but who cares? It also allowed creative people to make stuff without needing a huge budget Is it not too early to make predictions?

Filmmaking devices have gotten cheaper consistently over the last ~50 years. I don’t know about you, but I think some pretty good movies have come out since 1970, especially by directors working on very low budgets.

> I don’t know about you, but I think some pretty good movies have come out since 1970, especially by directors working on very low budgets.

On the whole, I think the average quality of cinematography in theater or wide-streaming releases has decreased.

Which isn't disagreement with your point, as I think it says more about audience tastes and gatekeeping filters than technology.

When film equipment was expensive and the bare minimum for creating a film was high, studios had a much tighter filter on who they'd fund to create a film. Consequently, the level of craft was higher.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

cardanome wrote: post #68
marstall wrote: post #48

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> These new tools are awesome if you’re a creator. you're typing "generate me an article about x" into gpt-3. who's the creator here?

Your are. Are you the author of the binary your compiler made? Sure you are. Of think of using blender geometry nodes to generate and render pictures of architecture. Nobody would think that traditional computer generated images are not made by humans. The is no intelligence in gpt-3. It's just called "AI" for marketing reasons. It's an data driven algorithm.

I’d argue that the creator went from being an author to being an editor, and that is fine.

Personally, I am enjoying chatgpt and copilot. They both have saved me a lot of time when dealing with new tech and accumulating new information.

I don’t trust them for certain highly sensitive or technical issues, but other than that if I can minimise the time I spend working without a reduction in productivity, well, I am all for it.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by nottorp »

nottorp wrote: post #13

What I really wonder is: is there a correlation between consumption of streaming tv series and positive attitude towards this "AI" wave? "statistical mean of everything uploaded by humans on the internet which fits certain criteria" applies to both ChatGPT/StableDiffusion and most movie series on streaming TV. My pet theory is that if you can stomach watching the same stories with different skins hundreds of times, y…

Hmm, please don't turn this into a thread commenting on specific bad movies. It's the similarity that's interesting.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by alkonaut »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #38
alkonaut wrote: post #21

How do we prove we are human? A platform that can reliably prove that the user generated content it shows is human generated will have an edge. If I have a method of signing some content with my personal signature, I could still sign off on some generated content with it. I suspect there will be an arms race with ever more voight-kampff-like tests of humanness or something. If this doesn't work, I fear a lot of the w…

Perhaps this is a Chess move to get the public to call for the end of anonymous posting online, which serves the purpose of the authoritarians who would love to be able to send 'educators' to your house to re-educate you on correctness of your views.

I think in regimes where that's a large risk, the regime doesn't need this to spy on you. if you e.g. are forced to run a government issued smartphone app and there are cameras at every street corner, the system is already pretty dystopian.

It's where there isn't already a surveillance state that we may want to look out and not create one.

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