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Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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What I really wonder is: is there a correlation between consumption of streaming tv series and positive attitude towards this "AI" wave? "statistical mean of everything uploaded by humans on the internet which fits certain criteria" applies to both ChatGPT/StableDiffusion and most movie series on streaming TV. My pet theory is that if you can stomach watching the same stories with different skins hundreds of times, y…

I’m 41 and I’m utterly baffled by my 24 year-old SO’s interest in binging an apparently infinite litany of TV shows from streaming services. I’ve watched the first six seasons of Game Of Thrones, the first season of Dark, all of The Expanse (reading the last book of the final trilogy now), His Dark Materials (because I read the books) and Andor. That’s it. I watched some Star Trek TNG & DS9 as a kid and was horrified…

> baffled by my 24 year-old SO’s interest in binging an apparently infinite litany of TV shows … TNG & DS9 as a kid and was horrified by what snippets of Discovery and Picard I came across

The thing that bemuses me is those who hate the new trek shows with a passion, and find the time to keep watching and constantly bitching about it online. It is like complaining is a hobby in itself and they are almost looking for something they don't like or to feel superior about their judgement to those who do like it. Other franchises have similar subsets of “fans” too.

I used to watch too much TV/films IMO, I probably still do though I'm a lot more selective since getting into more varied hobbies that can easily consume a lot of time (running (usually off-road), baking, HEMA). But even when I had the free time to watch that much I found there was enough out there that if something didn't work for me I could find a list of other things to try instead of sticking with something I wasn't getting much out of.

Though be careful passing judgement on modern Trek: I'm slowly rewatching TNG with a friend and while some of it has aged well, fair chunks of it was more massively ropey than rose-tinted memories prepared me for! Also, if I hadn't at least passively consumed (i.e. had on TV while I was doing other things so not particularly concentrating on) other parts of recent Trek and Starwars, I might not have bothered to try some of the better stuff like Lower Decks, Strange New Worlds, and Andor (the latter probably being the second best TV thing recently for me, the first being Severance).

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Filmmaking devices have gotten cheaper consistently over the last ~50 years. I don’t know about you, but I think some pretty good movies have come out since 1970, especially by directors working on very low budgets.

I don't think the making of the original blade runner involved much in the way of modern AI. I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to say.

AI creation tools make it easier to make stuff. This process will result in a lot of junk, but it will also result in some super creative people making art they otherwise couldn’t.

The same process happened with filmmaking. Fifty or sixty years ago, it was too expensive for anyone other than large corporations.

You could even say the same thing for writing itself; a thousand years ago, paper was too expensive for the average person and most people couldn’t afford to buy books and become literate. Today, writing paper is functionally free.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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I've been known to start ranting when I'm searching on some topic that attracts SEO garbage (e.g., Python), and realize I'm in the nth different SEO garbage article search hit.

I wonder whether a winning solution to the coming massively-parallel "AI" megaspew will emerge, how it will work, and whether Google will be the ones to do it.

Or will the bulk of consumers overwhelmingly submit, and accept it as normal, much like we already do with huge regressions in the quality of interactions and thinking?

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m 41 and I’m utterly baffled by my 24 year-old SO’s interest in binging an apparently infinite litany of TV shows from streaming services. I’ve watched the first six seasons of Game Of Thrones, the first season of Dark, all of The Expanse (reading the last book of the final trilogy now), His Dark Materials (because I read the books) and Andor. That’s it. I watched some Star Trek TNG & DS9 as a kid and was horrified…

> baffled by my 24 year-old SO’s interest in binging an apparently infinite litany of TV shows … TNG & DS9 as a kid and was horrified by what snippets of Discovery and Picard I came across The thing that bemuses me is those who hate the new trek shows with a passion, and find the time to keep watching and constantly bitching about it online. It is like complaining is a hobby in itself and they are almost looking for…

I don’t understand it either… if you don’t like it, walk away. Don’t contribute to the toxic commentary and above all don’t contribute to the viewing numbers, because if they can hold your gaze you’ll get more of the same.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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All this ChatGPT hysteria led me to have the following conversation with it. Probably hit some near future nail on its head. "Hello AI, please do today's tasks", the programmer will be on the level of the call center operator of today in terms of skills

* Human: Explain to me the phenomenon of post-ChatGPT depression seen in a software developer

* ChatGPT: [...] After using the ChatGPT tool, some developers may experience feelings of depression, sadness, and loss. This may be due to the realization that their job as a developer has been reduced to using a tool that can be easily replicated by others, leading to a feeling of redundancy and lack of fulfillment in their work.

Additionally, the use of ChatGPT may also lead to a loss of creativity and problem-solving skills, as the tool takes care of the majority of the coding process. This can cause developers to feel like they are no longer contributing to their team or making a meaningful impact in their field.

In short, post-ChatGPT depression is a psychological reaction to the use of a tool that simplifies the coding process, leading to feelings of redundancy, lack of fulfillment, and loss of creativity in software developers.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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People really love to make predictions about technologies way too early. It’s been a year or two, tops, since this stuff has gone mainstream. I very much doubt that the consumer ecosystem will remain the same while content undergoes an AI-powered paradigm shift. We will most likely see a growth of curated sites that help weed out the nonsense, as has been typical for most new developments. And on that note, I think t…

> These new tools are awesome if you’re a creator.

you're typing "generate me an article about x" into gpt-3. who's the creator here?

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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According to the author, chatGPT is generating not "artificial creativity" but a simple "statistical mean of everything uploaded by humans on the internet which fits certain criteria". Isn't the post I'm typing here not also the product of my brain that's been trained by a couple of decades of sensory inputs and trained to produce outputs that fit certain criteria? What is the fundamental difference between fleshy ne…

No difference, you’re right - you’re just a large language model.

Also, please write me a 5 page essay on the causes of the Industrial Revolution, in the style of a Shakespearean comedy. Please post your answer in the comments when you’re done.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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I've been saying this for years and for some reason no one seems to take it seriously: we're heading towards an era where it's going to be incredibly difficult to differentiate real and fake information. It's not going to be wholly fake or auto-generated content either. It'll be taking something that is real and modifying it to make it false where you have a hard time telling which one is real.

Interestingly, this issue came up in the book Anathem that had bots basically creating fake information and then selling you a solution to filter it out.

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