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Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by fulafel »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #85
shafyy wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, but: "US authorities do not have direct access to your server or its content in the EU. US authorities have to comply with the regulations of the EU legislation.". So, because Hetzner is not owned by a US company, stuff like the CLOUD act doesn't apply to them. So, if you have a contract with the German entity of Hetzner and use a German server, you should be fine in terms of GDPR.

But what does "direct" mean here? Indirect could still be ordering them to give US authorities data and to keep silent about being ordered. Maybe (hopefully) that would be against EU regulations?

Lots of EU countries have their intelligence agencies doing close cooperation with five eyes (NSA and equivalent agencies of the smaller countries) and willing to turn a blind eye or actively collude in compromising security of IT infra in the EU. Or going further, a oft reported pattern is that when they want to spy on their own citizens but are forbidden by law, they ask the foreign allies to do the dirty work of spying on their soil and pass back the intelligence.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by jeremyjh »

holoduke wrote: post #23

I am running a cluster of machines at Hetzner for years. Generally i am satisfied, but i like to share some bad experiences which took a month to fix. At some point some of my servers were facing random cpu stalls mostly at occuring midnight. I spend hours and nights to find out the cause. But i wasnt able to find it. Tracing the issue resulting in different causes everytime. After I contacted the Hetzner support tea…

Are you using their “standard” cloud or dedicated vcpu product?

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by nickjj »

This is certainly interesting. I've been using DO for something like 8 years and I really like them.

I don't plan to switch but Hetzner offers a CPU optimized server with 4 CPU cores and 8 GB of memory for $17 USD / month. DigitalOcean offers the same thing for $56 USD / month. It's hard to ignore how much of a difference that is.

Even the smaller'ish instances have a huge difference. Hetzner has a 2 CPU core 4 GB of memory server for $6.75 USD / month. DO offers the same thing for $24 USD / month and that's using the worse grade CPU. If you pick the higher end AMD CPU it's $28 a month (which sounds similar to what Hetzen is using but ~4x less price). For perspective DO's $7 USD / month price point gives you 1 CPU and 1 GB of memory.

Edit: As someone brought up in the comments below, it's possible that the Hetzner price ends up being ~25% cheaper due to not charging VAT. This will depend where you live. I converted Euros to USD on Google based on their public pricing page https://www.hetzner.com/cloud as a US site visitor.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by arlcode »

q-base wrote: post #83
cstpdk wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The content of that link sounds fine in terms of GDPR if one only uses the EU servers. Am I missing something?

I read it differently, especially in light of Schrems II. EU-datacenters from any of the big US-based providers does not automatically make you comply either.

As I read it the issue is that the American HQ can order their European subsidiary to provide the data.

Hetzner US does not have a European subsidary and therefore cannot violate GDPR (assuming US personal can't access EU customer data).

Hetzner HQ is in Germany and is not allowed to enforce the CLOUD Act outside the US

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by 411111111111111 »

nickjj wrote: post #93

This is certainly interesting. I've been using DO for something like 8 years and I really like them. I don't plan to switch but Hetzner offers a CPU optimized server with 4 CPU cores and 8 GB of memory for $17 USD / month. DigitalOcean offers the same thing for $56 USD / month. It's hard to ignore how much of a difference that is. Even the smaller'ish instances have a huge difference. Hetzner has a 2 CPU core 4 GB of…

And the difference is even bigger if you get a bare metal instance. Performance is insane if you compare it to dedicated VMs or worse cloud VMs.

In one of my Java toy projects I got http responses to sub 10ms, that's includes, querying a small amount of data from postgres and responding as JSON. The tls handshakes might have been reused through, now that I think about it. The number was taken from the network tab while switching around routes in the pwa

The bare metal instances generally have nvme storage, so you get incredible IO

As a reference from a recent test: I went with the smallest OVH bare metal server that was discounted to 30€/month the other day (normal price 60€) and got about 2k with hdparm. Running the same test on my 45€ hetzner instance got me over 3.1k. And the hetzner instance also got twice the memory (64gb), though that didn't impact this particular metric.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by arlcode »

martin-adams wrote: post #77
Hetzner_OL wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow! Twenty years in this industry is a lifetime! Thanks so much for supporting us all these years! I will pass on a +1 for you to the dev team about the managed databases. --Katie

I absolutely love using Hetzner. Top of my wishlist is Managed Databases and Managed Kubernetes. This is the main of the reason why I'm using Digitalocean for production and Hetzner for more stateless use cases.

Managed K8s would be my dream as well.

Am I you?

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by ushakov »

PaywallBuster wrote: post #82
codethief wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hetzner Online GmbH and Hetzner Cloud GmbH are fully owned (resp. majority-owned) by ENSoXX Holding AG of which Martin Hetzner is the CEO and which seems to be the parent company[0]. I cannot find any indication in the publicly available documents that any US company (or any other company for that matter) holds more than a 25% share in ENSoXX Holding AG. (25% is the reporting threshold.) In the 2022 annual financial…

Quite impressive the numbers they're doing 78M profit on 290M revenue (See [0] above) _ edited figures _

They also distributed some 50M EUR to employees and management

a friend of mine told some support staff got 20k EUR in bonuses last year because of that

probably they figured out, it's easier to give some of the profits away than pay a higher tax

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