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Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Post by dmix »

voltaireodactyl wrote: post #210
salawat wrote: post #205

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I want no political will in an investigation. I want the truth found. Political will results in the opposite.

“Political will” is a phrase that refers to the ability of an entity to power through the partisan demands from all sides, while still maintaining and achieving their stated goal. In this case, as you desire, the truth. So I believe we are in agreement, once terms are fully understood on all sides. It’s important to me that we not dilute the meaning of important phrases by assuming they add up to no more than the sum…

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Post by voltaireodactyl »

dmix wrote: post #211
voltaireodactyl wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Political will” is a phrase that refers to the ability of an entity to power through the partisan demands from all sides, while still maintaining and achieving their stated goal. In this case, as you desire, the truth. So I believe we are in agreement, once terms are fully understood on all sides. It’s important to me that we not dilute the meaning of important phrases by assuming they add up to no more than the sum…

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My friend, I fear you have misunderstood what I'm saying. My statement does not call for any "summing up" of anything -- the opposite, in fact.

Please do not be confused by the word "political" within the phrase "political will". A brief crash-course: "political" does not equal "partisan", it equals "of or concerning to the sphere of politics". You are conflating political with partisan -- this exact error is the root of a vast percentage of the needless rhetoric and policy misapprehensions that so confuse our current national conversation.

To be plain: I would like the most effective LEO working under the absolute-least-partisan-influence possible. That is to say: effective law enforcement agents who cut through the bullshit on all sides.

Given your misunderstanding of the above, while assuming you're responding in good faith (and not intentionally confusing the issue), I must conclude that your vocabulary in this particular arena does not quite match your passion.

I would urge you in the future, when confronted with a definition that differs from that you intuit, to ensure that you truly grok what's being said, rather than assuming naivety/partisan pearl-clutching.

Again, it's important to have a shared basis from which compromise can be achieved -- it is perhaps the most fundamental requirement of society.

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Post by kthejoker2 »

coffeebeqn wrote: post #194
kthejoker2 wrote: post #54

Civilization will end because it is so much easier to break things than build them.

How is that true now but not for the last 10 000 years? Somehow we build more than we destroy very consistently

First, civilization has collapsed on the small scale (Mayas, Roman Empire) and due to the same causes - relatively modest disruptions to food supply, border security, access to labor, etc.

And the division of labor, economic sprcialization, and technological advancement has created way more weak links.

There were no nuclear bombs or dependencies on large scale agribusiness, satellite comms, the Internet. or in this case electrification to sustain society.

To be clear I'm not predicting collapse because the grid has some vulnerability, I'm just saying if you wanted to collapse society, it would almost certainly involve (again, extremely modest, scalable, and boringly effective) sabotage like this.

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Post by mcphage »

patmcc wrote: post #132
throwawaytoilet wrote: post #106

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A VHS cassette tape thrown over transmission lines in the middle of nowhere coordinated at 3 or 4 key locations would do that too… and much easier ordinance to acquire. NMS systems can’t react and load shedding chaos is likely.

I think a lot about how terrorists don't act and I guess I don't understand their motives. Electric grids, fiber optic lines, train tracks, bridges, water mains, sewage treatment, all of these can be pretty easily disrupted with equipment that isn't hard to get and doesn't require extensive training. And the disruption could be extreme . I mean, I'm glad they're not doing any of this, but I'm puzzled.

They could do that, but for what current gain? In reaction to their attacks, we'd beef up our security—so if at some point in the future, they had an explicit goal, it would be much harder. Much better to not attack, let us keep our infrastructure vulnerable, so that when they need to attack, they can.

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Post by dmix »

voltaireodactyl wrote: post #212
dmix wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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My friend, I fear you have misunderstood what I'm saying. My statement does not call for any "summing up" of anything -- the opposite, in fact. Please do not be confused by the word "political" within the phrase "political will". A brief crash-course: "political" does not equal "partisan", it equals "of or concerning to the sphere of politics". You are conflating political with partisan -- this exact error is the roo…

Fair enough, I misunderstood your meaning.

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Post by fbdab103 »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #204
myself248 wrote: post #190

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I've heard, but have no sources for it, that it's difficult to scale up production of large transformers. And as everyone's said, without government invention, there's no money in having a reserve. It's even worse if the _rate_ of consumption doesn't go up, then adding production to build up a reserve is folly, because the plant is guaranteed to go idle once the reserve is achieved. So, I don't have high hopes for th…

I was previously going to mention the decentralisation that could be provided by micro-grids as a mitigating factor, but don't know enough about how they work to know whether it's just replacing one vulnerability for another, but your mention of home batteries reminds me that, with micro-grids, it should be possible to narrow down to a single household "island" level of granularity if all households have solar and ba…

One thing to note is that many stand-alone solar installations cannot operate without a live grid connection.

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Post by wereallterrrist »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #68
jrm4 wrote: post #58

Kind of surprising to not see the words "domestic terrorism" here, so let me be the first? This very well could be domestic terrorism and for now it would be prudent to treat it as such.

What is the actual importance of this rhetoric / labeling discussion over all emerging domestic news stories? Do you not feel that it constantly gets in the way of an actual discussion. I feel like this topic has been ongoing for over a decade. There are so many ways to describe the world. This is being described as a “[premeditated] attack”. Is there some ulterior motive I’m missing? Sorry to seem to ranty over this…

Gee, maybe google the word or news story before writing 3 paragraphs about it? Yes, it was to shut down an 18+ drag show.

For the average folks with horrid (or biased) memories, do you really no remember post-911? We screamed "terrorists" over and over and how American interests would not be scared off by terror tactics.

Theyre suppressing expression. They have openly fascist intents. Theyre successfully shutting down other shows due to fears of violence.

In what world do you think this increasingly frequent type of targetted violence should not be talked about? Or just when its barely related to a social issue you have opinions about...?

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Post by wereallterrrist »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #137
HyperSane wrote: post #107

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Still waiting for the evidence that that had anything to do with the substation attack...

The known widely open anti-lgbt jan 6th rioted who posted within hours of the outtage that she knew the source of the outage? And a picture of the drag venue with "god will not be mocked". Whatever you gotta tell yourself!

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Post by wereallterrrist »

hairofadog wrote: post #209
deanCommie wrote: post #157

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Because this was a targeted attack with the intentional goal of disrupting a drag show [0]. There is a rising alt-right extremist movement that is attempting to demonize LGBTQ and drag as pedophiles and groomers. Their methods are only getting more extreme [1]. They have very clear goals that are absolutely fall under the definition of terrorisms: They are attempting to terrorize a specific subset of civilian populat…

I’m pro drag show and anti extremism but this just seems so unlikely, doesn’t it? Didn’t they knock out the power for lots of churches and gun shops too? And according to news reports I’m seeing, they had the drag show anyway? I mean, people are crazy and do random things, so I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it just seems like it would be the dumbest way to try to make this dumb point.

> it just seems like it would be the dumbest way to try to make this dumb point.

I mean, you understand the types of people being discussed here, right? (that posted openly about this on fb, mind you).

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Post by wereallterrrist »

tylersmith wrote: post #27
jachee wrote: post #4

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> Moore County Sheriff Ronnie Fields said investigators have found no evidence or reason to believe that the Saturday evening attack was tied to a controversial drag show in downtown Southern Pines.

Yeah, I'll send $250 to the Red Cross if that statement doesn't turn out to be false.

What does it take to get folks to do their own research. How about you go watch the clip of the Sheriff saying they cleared her after talking to and praying with her and then get back to me.

Thats not an investigation.

Btw Ill bump that donation to $500, Alex: https://twitter.com/JimLaPorta/status/1599527421405171712

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