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Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Someone did it back in 2013, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack

Also back in; Oct. 11, 2004, 10:25 PM UTC / Source: The Associated Press Removal of bolts leads to towers’ collapse : https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna6228355

Somebody's been listening to Dana Lyons' "Turn of the Wrench" (1992)

https://genius.com/Dana-lyons-turn-of-the-wrench-lyrics

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Vast majority of physical infrastructure has no security beyond a rickety fence. It is good that most terrorists are as mentally unstable as they are, because a rational person with some easily homemade bombs could easily disable most anything they want with no real chance at being caught.

Yes! A single person with a bunch of time, $200k, and making purchases that aren't watched at all has all the resources required to take out the entire electrical grid and cause mass loss of life. Legit too scared to even write the concept down in the event someone got the idea to even try.

I think most people here can extrapolate from what you have said to an actionable plan. We simply have no motivation.

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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NZ had a version of this recently too: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/479858/graham-philip-rec...

> "He felt that the views of those who opposed the government's actions weren't being heard, that the mainstream media weren't taking notice, that really it needed something to be done to promote those views," Nabney told the high Court. And so he caused 1.2 million of damage to Electricity infrastructure. Tell me again why I'm the rambling conspiracy theorists for suspecting NZ is the target of disinformation trying…

I would actually argue that disinformation is only thiz level of effective when a society is already sick. Its alot easier to point to whats falling apart to back up your argument, than it is to build a intricate web of shadowy lies.

I guess what im saying is I feel like disinfo is a misnomer compared to what i see it as. Demoralization.

And honestly when people do become a product of manufactured value by propagandists, we dont usually treat them with dignity. Usually I see agression and equally bad faith arguments made in favor of the "truth". Which only further feeds the us vs them mentality in those individuals.

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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I read it just now and I didn't get any impression they did it or knew who did it, just as you say they they were happy. For many people, myself included, who grew up in the country, the power going out is not a big deal, and was a pretty regular occurrence. I say this not to downplay it, but because it's easy to see how someone could see the power go out while something they didn't approve of was happening, and feel…

"The power is out and I know why" doesn't give you an impression? I guess I'd cross off "detective" as fall back career

If you take nutters off the internet at face value then you should.

Most crimes that make the news have a few dozen nutjobs calling in claiming responsibility. People will go to great lengths to get attention. And we're already talking about social media posts here...

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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What is the actual importance of this rhetoric / labeling discussion over all emerging domestic news stories? Do you not feel that it constantly gets in the way of an actual discussion. I feel like this topic has been ongoing for over a decade. There are so many ways to describe the world. This is being described as a “[premeditated] attack”. Is there some ulterior motive I’m missing? Sorry to seem to ranty over this…

Because the US doesn't have a federal domestic terrorism statute, and so things that we'd confidently label 'terrorism' if they happened overseas or originated in a foreign country become the subject of thorny debate if they have a domestic origin and an otherwise identical fact pattern. A decent write up of the legal issues here: https://www.aclu.org/other/how-usa-patriot-act-redefines-dom...

Your comment is strange and seems to misrepresent your source. Your linked article actually says that the current legal definition of (domestic) terrorism is quite broad, so the situation is the opposite - things we wouldn't label terrorism overseas - people protesting climate change, can be labeled terrorism here.

Quote: The definition of domestic terrorism is broad enough to encompass the activities of several prominent activist campaigns and organizations. Greenpeace, Operation Rescue, Vieques Island and WTO protesters and the Environmental Liberation Front have all recently engaged in activities that could subject them to being investigated as engaging in domestic terrorism.

Edit: you're literally correct that there isn't specific domestic terrorism statute but there are numerous terrorism task forces, antiterrorism programs and escalations of other charges based the category terrorist.

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Wait, so Ukraine can restore power in half a day in the middle of a war, but a county in the middle of the US takes a week?

One country been in the state of war for 8 years, and another not (if you don't count one sided aerial bombing a war.)

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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Citation?

That theory is actively refuted in the article but there was some chatter on twitter about it apparently. (See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33859434)

Overall I get the impression that promoting conspiracy theories is ok when they involve hypothetical "far right" actors

Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack

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A VHS cassette tape thrown over transmission lines in the middle of nowhere coordinated at 3 or 4 key locations would do that too… and much easier ordinance to acquire. NMS systems can’t react and load shedding chaos is likely.

Hah. My point was that it's scarily easy. I like that your point is that it's way scarily easiER. Wouldn't Beta be slightly more effective? /s

Yeah. The VHS thought experiment came from a brainstorm with an old timer after 9/11 about how to protect network infrastructure. You simply can’t.
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