Curfew seems excessive. We have had a number of 8-12 hour power outages around here and the local governments have never declared curfew. Parts of Ottawa were without power in the spring for 2 weeks after the derecho and there was no curfew.
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Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack
#82DVEs have been talking about ways to target power substations for a while now. This is the first instance that I've seen of someone actually acting on that information. Background: https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/591331-dhs-warn... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/domestic-violent-extremists-plo...
Someone did it back in 2013, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack
Also back in; Oct. 11, 2004, 10:25 PM UTC / Source: The Associated Press
Removal of bolts leads to towers’ collapse : https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna6228355
Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack
#83Kind of surprising to not see the words "domestic terrorism" here, so let me be the first? This very well could be domestic terrorism and for now it would be prudent to treat it as such.
What is the actual importance of this rhetoric / labeling discussion over all emerging domestic news stories? Do you not feel that it constantly gets in the way of an actual discussion. I feel like this topic has been ongoing for over a decade. There are so many ways to describe the world. This is being described as a “[premeditated] attack”. Is there some ulterior motive I’m missing? Sorry to seem to ranty over this…
The legal system is who effing cares, in this instance. There are different mechanisms and agencies that deal with terrorist vs premeditated-but-non-political-in-objective acts.
I think a lot of the desire for specificity in terminology that you’re seeing demanded is stemming from a desire for people to see organizations step in that truly have the resources, investigative experience, and political will to accomplish progress in this arena — for example certain offices of the FBI.
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What does this have to do with the article? And why should we listen to someone with "If you hate cancel culture I'll cancel you" in their profile?
In my opinion it could be interpreted as a call to violence/insurrection by at least one of his millions of followers. Many of whom own guns and believe the election was stolen. (Sources available if you really need them)
My profile quote is satirical remark highlighting the hypocrisy of some who are against cancel culture.
Were you checking my age to see if I was a bot or my past comments to see if my views aligned with yours?
Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack
#85Curfew seems excessive. We have had a number of 8-12 hour power outages around here and the local governments have never declared curfew. Parts of Ottawa were without power in the spring for 2 weeks after the derecho and there was no curfew.
There’s a difference between a weather event and a hostile attack.
Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack
#86A grenade (or IED) or two thrown in coordination into a few of those local-area transformer / power distribution stations would cause state-level chaos.
Where I live, these seemingly critical infrastructure outposts, are protected by nothing more than high chicken-wire fences. Cyber Squirrel is the best and longest-lived exemplification of the sensitivity and scale of this vulnerability: https://cybersquirrel1.com/
This being my favourite:
14.01.2015
Eagle
Geraldton, WA, Australia
Sheep's head dropped by eagle blamed for power outageRe: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack
#87Kind of surprising to not see the words "domestic terrorism" here, so let me be the first? This very well could be domestic terrorism and for now it would be prudent to treat it as such.
What is the actual importance of this rhetoric / labeling discussion over all emerging domestic news stories? Do you not feel that it constantly gets in the way of an actual discussion. I feel like this topic has been ongoing for over a decade. There are so many ways to describe the world. This is being described as a “[premeditated] attack”. Is there some ulterior motive I’m missing? Sorry to seem to ranty over this…
There's been tons of times Reddit has been littered with 5000+ upvoted threads attributing attacks to x and then the next few days the post explaining it wasn't x gets 300 upvotes and quietly dies.
If I've learned anything being terminally online it's that it's always better to wait until some basic evidence comes out rather than to speculate and get into flame wars over it.
Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack
#88Kind of surprising to not see the words "domestic terrorism" here, so let me be the first? This very well could be domestic terrorism and for now it would be prudent to treat it as such.
What is the actual importance of this rhetoric / labeling discussion over all emerging domestic news stories? Do you not feel that it constantly gets in the way of an actual discussion. I feel like this topic has been ongoing for over a decade. There are so many ways to describe the world. This is being described as a “[premeditated] attack”. Is there some ulterior motive I’m missing? Sorry to seem to ranty over this…
Because the US doesn't have a federal domestic terrorism statute, and so things that we'd confidently label 'terrorism' if they happened overseas or originated in a foreign country become the subject of thorny debate if they have a domestic origin and an otherwise identical fact pattern.
A decent write up of the legal issues here: https://www.aclu.org/other/how-usa-patriot-act-redefines-dom...
Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack
#89Curfew seems excessive. We have had a number of 8-12 hour power outages around here and the local governments have never declared curfew. Parts of Ottawa were without power in the spring for 2 weeks after the derecho and there was no curfew.
Consider that the curfew could be caused not by the outages, but by the fact that there could be further attacks, or the suspicion that whoever did this wanted the outage as a first step for a more extensive plan.
Re: Emergency declared and curfew imposed following North Carolina power grid attack
#90Curfew seems excessive. We have had a number of 8-12 hour power outages around here and the local governments have never declared curfew. Parts of Ottawa were without power in the spring for 2 weeks after the derecho and there was no curfew.
I doubt curfew would have been called if this was a technical accident or natural disaster.