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Recommendations for Japan Travel

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Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

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But Japan seems less "fundamental" than many other cultures including the Greeks, Persians and Chinese for example who all lay claim to thousands of years of cultural significance. Is there a Japanese equivalent of Budha or Aristotle or Confucius.

It's fair to say the culture is younger, but they have a very complete Shinto deity mythos that's just as lavish and nuanced as the Greek gods. The isolation provided by being an hard to reach island has, in my opinion, made their culture quite differentiated and useful to contrast my own culture with. For example, I learned from the Japanese that children are much more capable than my own culture thinks they are. So…

>The isolation provided by being an hard to reach island has, in my opinion, made their culture quite differentiated and useful to contrast my own culture with.

Not really. Vast portions of pre-modern Japanese culture was borrowed from China. From fashion and art to language, philosophy and religion. Even the "very complete Shinto deity mythos" is not what you claim:

>Even among experts, there are no settled theories on what Shinto is or how far it should be included, and there are no settled theories on where the history of Shinto begins[0]

And true Shintoism has been dead for centuries.

>I learned from the Japanese that children are much more capable than my own culture thinks they are.

It's actualy the opposite. Modern childhood innocence, to the extent that it is a new development*, is a western export that has it's roots in romanticism. It isn't really unique to Japan to not have it to the same extent.

People like Japan because of anime, which does have it's roots in Japanese art, although it has become somewhat overstated and in any event was borrowed from Chinese.

What it is in my opinion is that Japan was the first of the east asian countries to become rich. So people who like east asian culture "found" Japan first, then came up with all this Japanese exceptionalism. Which is really shockingly ignorant being that China was the culture for almost an entire millennium. Chinese silk, jade, tea, and what else, fine china were found in all royal palaces around the world. You can even see it's effect on fashion in some 16-17th century english art.

None of this is to say thag Japan doesn't have a unique culture, but it is heavily overstated in the last two decades. It was also used to explain Japan's economic rise in 1980. Now that Taiwan and Korea have done the same that element has been conveniently forgotten.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Shinto

*That is, to the extent that it didn't already exist before. High childhood mortality prevented the concept childhood innocence as it exists and is manifested today (such as coddling).

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

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There was a time when you didn't need a travel agent, but before the rise of social media and camera phones. Budget airlines like Easyjet and online travel agencies like Expedia were around a decade before the iPhone.

The raw availability of something existing in 1996 (when Expedia launched, a decade before the iPhone) does not mean it was accessible or widespread. How many homes had the internet in 1996? How expensive were the personal computers necessary to access those travel portals? I feel your example only emphasizes the thesis.

> The raw availability of something existing in 1996 (when Expedia launched, a decade before the iPhone) does not mean it was accessible or widespread.

Sure, but the same is true for the iPhone.

After all, iphone sales in 2007 were 200 million. And that was for a product with no 3G and no app store. So I doubt tourist sites were clogged with Instagram influencers in 2007.

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

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I don’t even know how to respond to this take. Sorry that the Japanese people are generally far more courteous than anyone else I’ve met when tourists are in need of help and make an effort to get help in their language. Apparently, pointing out that every person I’ve encountered has been great to visitors is a bad thing or something. If someone is going to be a tourist in a foreign place, would you prefer they have…

> but Japanese people will go extremely out of their way to help you You are setting an expectation.

By this reasoning, if anyone asks you how you feel about someone you love/respect/admire/etc, you should refuse to speak of any significant qualities they posses.

“Hey, I haven’t met your wife/husband yet, but if they’re anything like you, they must be a quality person, and can’t wait for you to introduce me to them!” — “Oh, yeah. I mean, they’re definitely a human being, just like me, if that’s what you mean. And they, like… eat, drink, sleep — all the usual human being things, you know.”

Sounds like a bleak way to relate to others, downplaying your feelings out of fear that someone will irrationally believe they are entitled to similar experiences with said person.

Maybe we should expect people to not feel entitled, instead of desiring that people would bottle up how they feel.

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

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I have not read the whole blog, but at least one critical part of it is already out of date. The bit about the Japan Rail Pass, in particular the statement "and which you must purchase before you get here" . This is no longer the case. In the run-up to the Olympics, Japan made serious improvements in relation to the JRP: 1) You no longer need to purchase it abroad. You can purchase it in Japan on presentation of your…

I actually like the "queue and stamp" and "queue and show"! First, because queues were usually short. For showing the JR pass, usually no queue at all, sometimes faster than the automatic gates. For reserving seats the experience has always been great, even as a non-Japanese speaker. The guy will find you the time, changes, etc... will ask you if you want to be together as a group, smoking or non-smoking cars (if tha…

> I have never had an experience like this with a machine, not even close.

Ah, but you haven't seen what they've done to the machines !

Its equally awesome:

     1) Login using the QR code on your JR Pass
     2) Enter your route and desired date/time
     3) Machine shows you available next scheduled options
     4) Machine shows you available coaches
     5) Machine displays seat maps and allows you to choose seats
     6) Yes you can do this as a group, you scan multiple QR codes and choose as group
     7) The machine even has a "least busy" button so it will show you the seat map for the least-busy carriage
The only thing you can't do (yet ?) is change a seat reservation already assigned to a different journey. You need to go to the counter for that .... or just use your JR pass without seat reservation.

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

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How does it work in Italy?

Rome is amazing, so straight off the bat that piece of advice will not work for everyone. And I have more examples: Cinqueterre is out of this world. In same cases it's true though: Florence left me unimpressed, but I think it was the fault of the huge influx of tourists and peddlers that ruined everything.

“Probably” does a lot of heavy lifting in my aforementioned rule of thumb. There are some major cities that are worth visiting despite the tourists.

In some cities, like London, the rule applies fractally. Avoid anywhere listed in tourist guides and there are lots of great suburbs to explore.

Whereas a city like Paris, great as it is to lay eyes on the Eiffel Tower and the Arch de Triumph, the city is ultimately a dilution of its former self. These days most major cities are very same-same.

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

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Here are some additional ideas for off the beaten path Japan: - Rent a car, better yet, rent a cheap camper van[1]. Save a ton of money on hotels. - Get a local 4G internet card. Save on roaming charges. - Set the option to "Avoid tolls" and "Avoid motorways" on your favorite navigation app. Slower, cheaper and much better scenery. - Sleep on Road side stations(free and safe), bath on hot springs, wash your clothes o…

Can you sleep in a camper at michi no eki that lack campsites?

Yes. Those road stations(michi no eki) are a very safe, free option to get some rest or sleep in your camper / car / truck.

Many, if not all, will also have clean public toilets available 24 hours, amazing local produce for sale, and, those Japanese vending machines with hot coffee(those are specially awesome after business hours). Some(very few) will also have a place to dispose of the camper waste.

Another tip: in a real pickle, if it is late and if you are very tired, and you can't find a campsite or road station, a Japanese convenience store will almost always have large parking for cars. They usually don't mind if you park for a couple of hours, specially if you buy some stuff from their store. Plus, they always have clean public toilets.

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

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Going off the beaten path always amuses me a bit as advice (what happens when everyone decides to do that?) but it's also quite true that you can often be literally tens of metres away from the most touristic locations with barely any tourists actually around you in most places (exceptions include cities that have become theme parks like Venice).

Well there are basically 10 places in Tokyo everyone goes to, and maybe they go to Kyoto or Osaka too. That leaves... the entire rest of the country. I've travelled around most of Japan and the majority of time I see zero foreigners. Seriously just pick a random city from Japan Guide or go to an onsen. Visit Kyushu, it's beautiful and nobody seems to travel there because it's too far away :P

Onsen is a great reason to visit random rural area in Japan.

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

#248

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The raw availability of something existing in 1996 (when Expedia launched, a decade before the iPhone) does not mean it was accessible or widespread. How many homes had the internet in 1996? How expensive were the personal computers necessary to access those travel portals? I feel your example only emphasizes the thesis.

> The raw availability of something existing in 1996 (when Expedia launched, a decade before the iPhone) does not mean it was accessible or widespread. Sure, but the same is true for the iPhone. After all, iphone sales in 2007 were 200 million. And that was for a product with no 3G and no app store. So I doubt tourist sites were clogged with Instagram influencers in 2007.

I acknowledged that social media plays some part; read again.

You tell me what’s more impactful. Literal data that says the number of international tourists growing 350% over 30 years (from 400 million global international arrivals in 1990 to 1.4 billion in 2018), or some dataless notion that “actually it’s because of selfies”.

You can’t build more ancient collisseums and temples. See also why aged whiskey prices have soared.

https://ourworldindata.org/tourism

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

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> the boom in tourism in Japan over the last decade or so has made the beaten path… less than wonderful It's not just Japan. I've been travelling a lot for many years, for work and pleasure, in Asia, Europe, and Latin America. In this time, the experience has become consistently much worse everywhere I go. I personally blame social media and camera phones for this. In the past, a place might be busy, but people were…

You mostly complained about other travelers. But what about the rest of it? What about the beaten path is worse besides the travelers?

Re: Recommendations for Japan Travel

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> This "avoid the beaten path for tourists" but also "pick Kyoto". Hmmm People conflate Kyoto with the Gion + Kinkaku-ji + Arashiyama + Fushimi Inari. Kyoto city is much wider than that, and every street, especially in the Gion, is dense with history. There's dozens of bridges crossing the Kamogawa river, but most tourists are likely crossing over the one at Gion-shijo. Most tourists don't even stray 1km away from th…

^this But, honestly, even the tourist hotspots are nice to visit. Kyoto has so many amazing things to see, both popular and off the beaten path, that it’s absurd not to recommend if you want to learn more about Japanese culture.

Exactly - stuff we visited in 2017 in Kyoto:

- randomly encountered local summer festival, including nice juicy karage and an exhibition of harvesters! :)

- the marvelous Kyoto Railway museum

- Kyoto auqarium with dolphin show

- a Budhist temple that looks like a Shinto shrine (as couple years ago when state required the amalgamated Shino/Budhist institutions to split tehy decided to be a temple)

Looks like the inky nainstream thing we managed to visit was the amazing Kyoto Railway station :)

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