Anti Leonard Poettering petition: Stop writing useless linux programs.

Post by toyg » Fri, Dec 23, 2011, 2:18 PM UTC

ColdAsIce wrote: post #37

microtonal wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the 'failure' of the commercial Linux desktop can mostly be attributed to economics. Most importantly, consumers do not want to pay for a desktop operating system (even if it were proprietary). Microsoft effectively shut down the alternative market by making Windows-hardware coupling mandatory for large hardware vendors. This gives the perception (through scale and coupling) that Windows is nearly free. So, w…

"Microsoft effectively shut down the alternative market by making Windows-hardware coupling mandatory for large hardware vendors." How did they do that, how?! That is exactly why GNU/Linux on the desktop isnt used by more people.

Post by adestefan » Fri, Dec 23, 2011, 2:20 PM UTC

hasmoo wrote: post #7

microtonal wrote: post #4

Blaming Lennart (not Leonard!) is a bit counterproductive. There's a general tendency in the desktop Linux community to rewrite components every few years, rather than improving what exists. I guess this is mainly caused by the failure of Linux as a commercial desktop. Except for heroic efforts by Red Hat, SUSE, and previously Sun, it's mostly a hobbyist affair. As a hobby, people prefer to do the fun work, not the t…

> Except for heroic efforts by Red Hat, SUSE, and previously Sun, it's mostly a hobbyist affair. Lennart Poettering is a Red Hat employee.

Post by fmoralesc » Fri, Dec 23, 2011, 2:29 PM UTC

ColdAsIce wrote: post #40

lvillani wrote: post #30

Honestly, I don't understand why move this personal attack against Lennart. From my point of view he just wrote pieces of software he deemed necessary. I would rather put the blame on distributions other than Fedora¹ for trying to integrate his stuff early and poorly (thus starting a chain-reaction which caused even more distributions to rush with integration attempts). I think he's getting a lot of flak for choices…

He could have improved esd or jack. But no.

Post by spot » Fri, Dec 23, 2011, 2:42 PM UTC

ColdAsIce wrote: post #37

microtonal wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the 'failure' of the commercial Linux desktop can mostly be attributed to economics. Most importantly, consumers do not want to pay for a desktop operating system (even if it were proprietary). Microsoft effectively shut down the alternative market by making Windows-hardware coupling mandatory for large hardware vendors. This gives the perception (through scale and coupling) that Windows is nearly free. So, w…

"Microsoft effectively shut down the alternative market by making Windows-hardware coupling mandatory for large hardware vendors." How did they do that, how?! That is exactly why GNU/Linux on the desktop isnt used by more people.

Post by count » Fri, Dec 23, 2011, 2:49 PM UTC

lucian1900 wrote: post #14

I think blaming someone for innovating is possibly the stupidest thing one could do. dbus is awesome. Best bus we have. systemd is really nice and useful, overall a better upstart. The reason it's not a patch for upstart or sysinit is that their designs preclude certain features that systemd provides. I don't know about pulseaudio, and I'm not sold on Journal.