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India has never been a democracy in the sense that the Westerners understood it. India is also a fucking land grabber. It has land grabbed every single of its neighbors once the British left town. You never hear it in the West because it doesn't fit the narrative the West has on India.
Could you please expand a bit on the land-grabbing part? I would love to learn more.
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Just for completeness, the US has its own flavor of issues here in its prison system. Just 23¢ to $1.15 is the typical hourly pay [1], and work is not always voluntary and up to the same employee protection/safety standards as true employment [2]. Labour sourced from the incarcerated creates problematic incentives in law enforcement. [1] https://www.bop.gov/inmates/custody_and_care/unicor_about.js... [2] https://www.…
If someone actually commits a serious felony—murder, rape, car theft, aggravated assault—I think they should be sentenced to forced labor.
Forced labour means profit for someone. That is far too close to slavery to avoid major value clash, so it will hide itself to present a respectable face. Corruption is inevitable. You'll end up with judges sentencing children for profit. Off to the new world in fetters. As the setting for a novel, I'm convinced.
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#283iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…
While I have no praise for the CCP, India's current government is not without its problems: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/11/04/modi-india-personality-...
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#284wish the biden administration would give manufacturers a tax break to manufacture in south america. It would enrich our neighbors to the south and possibly put a dent in drug trafficking and illegal immigration. Making asia rich doesnt help us nearly as much as making south america rich.
Doesn't much of South America have insane import taxes? They'd have to solve that first.
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#285People love to give Jony Ive and Steve Jobs credit for the iPhone but no one gives Tim Cook credit for keep making the iPhone the most desirable product in the world in 2022.
This comment make it seem like iPhone is suddenly desirable in 2022. iPhone has been leader since the beginning, it does take effort to stay at top but i wonder credit goes to Tim Cook for that.
Well, maybe from around 2010-2012 or so. In the first couple years, the iPhone was a product looking for a market that didn’t yet exist.
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>Apple and many westerners never understand the risk and the ethics implication of doing business in China. May be for many westerners, but not Apple. They knew exactly what they are doing. >It turns out that in spite of all values that Apple promotes, it actually cares about nothing but the profit and its comfortable zone in China. Which is the worst part of it all. Their insane hypocrisy. Now that Apple is only mov…
Okay, be real for a second -- Apple doing manufacturing in China benefited the common Chinese factory worker by driving up wages.
And to be even realer, Apple doing manufacturing in [country that isn't China] would have benefited the common factory worker in [country that isn't China] by driving up wages without also benefiting the totalitarian government of China.
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According to stats there are 1.3 million people incarcerated in China. If incarceration rates in China were similar to those in USA it should be 10.3 million people. It would be pretty hard to hide them. USA are by far the number one country in the World for jail population and for incarceration rates, worse even than Putin's Russia. They would love to share the top step of the podium with someone else if they could…
Does this include the 12.8 million Uyghurs in China?
Do you seriously believe that all 12.8 million Uyghurs in China are literally imprisoned?
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While I have no praise for the CCP, India's current government is not without its problems: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/11/04/modi-india-personality-...
India has never been a democracy in the sense that the Westerners understood it. India is also a fucking land grabber. It has land grabbed every single of its neighbors once the British left town. You never hear it in the West because it doesn't fit the narrative the West has on India.
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Okay, be real for a second -- Apple doing manufacturing in China benefited the common Chinese factory worker by driving up wages.
That benefit overlooks a lot of human cost involved. And if you're being real, you'd know the major beneficiary is Apple. The American companies aren't quite the saviors that folks might think they are.
Funnily, it is generally true given that net resource transfers to the global south have been negative for most countries... with the big exception being China[1], so China has benefited off global trade deals like these, but their income inequality isn't exactly something to look up to either (but despite that, they manage to beat the US on this stat). The other poor countries are mostly falling behind in a relative sense, and have been since the 80s, so we should certainly be thinking about disincentivising borderline slave labour because right now it isn't worth it for those countries, they simply aren't benefiting off doing it.
But also, we are moving (slowly) in the direction you'd likely prefer: Norway and Germany are now doing supply chain due diligence[2]. Hopefully we continue moving in that direction so we can push the floor up and perverse human rights violations become more of a thing of the past.
[1] https://gfintegrity.org/press-release/new-report-on-unrecord...
[2] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/business-and-human-r...