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Iran abolishes morality police

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Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by mdp2021 »

malermeister wrote: post #179
mdp2021 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very clearly the poster is talking about restraints caused by vocal sub-cultural shifts, not about pre-frontal abilities.

The two are interrelated. Human sacrifice used to be a common cultural practice in many parts of the world. In Europe, old men used to marry prebuscent teenagers. We suppressed those things through vocal cultural shifts.

Again: the OP is not condemning vocal cultural shifts that demand restraint of unreasonable behaviour.

The OP is complaining about censorship.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by Barrin92 »

mdp2021 wrote: post #171
malermeister wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course repressing oneself can lead to a better society. If pedophiles, people with violent urges etc are able to suppress their urges for example, don't you think that's a good thing? Should everyone just be acting out their id's desires unchecked?

Very clearly the poster is talking about restraints caused by vocal sub-cultural shifts, not about pre-frontal abilities.

Given that the OP compared their situation to the morality police in Iran, where dissenters tend to be hung from cranes I'm not so sure what restraints they think they're living under.

Few things are more cringeworthy than people in free Western countries pretending they're living in the Soviet Union. I say my honest opinion all the time. When people say this stuff, can we get a concrete example for something you "just can't say" ? I bet you five bucks I can guess the nature of that statement.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by malermeister »

mdp2021 wrote: post #201
malermeister wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The two are interrelated. Human sacrifice used to be a common cultural practice in many parts of the world. In Europe, old men used to marry prebuscent teenagers. We suppressed those things through vocal cultural shifts.

Again: the OP is not condemning vocal cultural shifts that demand restraint of unreasonable behaviour. The OP is complaining about censorship.

You say tomato, I say tomato.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by hairofadog »

hairofadog wrote: post #91

It’s worth noting that Iran was a democracy until the 1953, when the US and UK supported a coup to install a corrupt dictator so they could avoid paying oil fees. The 1979 Iranian revolution was the pendulum swinging back hard the other way. I’m in no way supporting Iran’s religious extremism or current government, but they are monsters that we created. The coup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%…

Genuinely curious about why this was flagged, if anyone feels like enlightening me so I can be a better citizen here.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by Nursie »

ghufran_syed wrote: post #176
Nursie wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAICT many student participants in the revolution thought they were fighting to install a relatively liberal democratic system, but when the regime actually fell it was hardline religious groups who were organised enough to fill the power vacuum quickly. So I'm not sure it was so much the pendulum swinging the other way, as an organised group who were poised to take over when chaos ruled. But my understanding is lim…

If only they’d read “the road to serfdom” by hayek, describing why in such situations, “the worst always come out on top”. https://cdn.mises.org/Road%20to%20serfdom.pdf https://cdn.mises.org/Road%20to%20Serfdom%20in%20Cartoons.pd...

Yeah I'm not really sure that's the same thing, it's more about what happens in a power vacuum created during a revolution, rather than being concerned with creeping state power or a general fear of planning or anything that might be considered socialist.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by ybinator604g3 »

bnralt wrote: post #117
hairofadog wrote: post #91

It’s worth noting that Iran was a democracy until the 1953, when the US and UK supported a coup to install a corrupt dictator so they could avoid paying oil fees. The 1979 Iranian revolution was the pendulum swinging back hard the other way. I’m in no way supporting Iran’s religious extremism or current government, but they are monsters that we created. The coup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%…

> It’s worth noting that Iran was a democracy until the 1953, when the US and UK supported a coup to install a corrupt dictator This simply wasn't the case. I discuss this in a post below, but by the time Mossadegh was removed he had used a fraudulent plebiscite (claimed a 99.94% victory) to dissolve the parliament he had been feuding with and rule entirely by fiat. The Shah also wasn't installed by the U.S., he had…

> The Shah also wasn't installed by the U.S., he had been in power since Russia and the U.K. removed his father during WWII.

It's Disingenuous to frame it this way! He wasn't, but his father was installed and removed when needed so the son could take his place.

For the readers of this thread, if you are interested in how this went down, you can read this article [1] from "The National Security Archive" of GW University. There are references to the actual CIA documents that were declassified under "Freedom of Information Act".

This letter is from the people in charge of the coup. The same people wanted this information to remain hidden until they were forced to release it by law.

Also, this letter conveniently leaves out the part about the methods used by US-backed actors to 'persuade' those votes against Mossadegh in Majlis (Congress). The votes might not have been very "organic," as this declassified document [2] suggests.

[1] https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/

[2] https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/docs/Doc%206%20-...

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Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by grumpymouse »

kelipso wrote: post #200
grumpymouse wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, historically 50% or above of people in NI have wanted to be part of the uk and considered themselves British (often to the point of marching around waving Union Jacks etc). Over time that number has gone down relative to people who consider themselves Irish but the numbers are still fairly equal.

Aren't most of those people waving Union Jacks genetically/ethnically Anglo? As in they are descendants of people from England.

Some from an English background, some from a Scottish background. Parts of the north of Ireland were colonised by Britain in the early 1600s - have a look at the Wikipedia articles for ‘Plantation of Ulster’ and ‘Ulster Protestants’

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by AzzieElbab »

h11h wrote: post #89

"Iran state television is reporting that the morality police has definitely NOT been removed" https://twitter.com/borzou/status/1599396059251253249

NYT reprinted the same thing and I am completely lost as to why https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/04/world/middleeast/iran-mor...
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