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Re: Ask HN: Hunting for a Framework

#11

Post by jcpst » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 2:47 PM UTC

After looking for enough time, it may be worth it to make some compromises, pick one and try building your application with it.

You may never find “the” framework.

Lately my default has been AspNet Core and C# (or F# if I’m feeling frisky). Not because it’s the ultimate framework for me (although it _is_ very good), but it’s what I learned, thanks to learning on the job.

I remain a microsoft skeptic though. I continue to dabble in other tooling just in case they lock down the framework or tools in the future. I like django, for example.

Re: Ask HN: Hunting for a Framework

#12

Post by JaFu0815 » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 3:00 PM UTC

jcpst wrote: post #11

After looking for enough time, it may be worth it to make some compromises, pick one and try building your application with it. You may never find “the” framework. Lately my default has been AspNet Core and C# (or F# if I’m feeling frisky). Not because it’s the ultimate framework for me (although it _is_ very good), but it’s what I learned, thanks to learning on the job. I remain a microsoft skeptic though. I continu…

I am in a similar situation. I have written most backends in AspNet Core, mostly because C# is usually my go-to language. I have looked into Blazor a bit. There are some aspects it does well and writing frontend in C# is very appealing to me, however, the way of datafetching is not the most elegant, as far as I have seen and can judge.

Re: Ask HN: Hunting for a Framework

#13

Post by eagsalazar2 » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 3:04 PM UTC

Remix, zod, tRPC(if/when API endpoints are needed), Typescript, Prisma. This stack is gorgeous. Same language and type definitions front to back is a game changer.

The realtime aspect of what you are looking for is the hard part. The only options I know of are the remix stack above (you still have to do some extra plumbing), elixir/Phoenix (or other turbo links like options but most aren't fast enough). To do realtime updates natively you need to move to evented data front to back and that is a very big move away from models the way we normally think of them. Check out eventide or resolv.js.

Re: Ask HN: Hunting for a Framework

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Post by akmittal » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 3:05 PM UTC

Sadly there is no single good framework for this.

You can better fo with Remix+prisma. You probably don't need REST endpoints just fetch, post using remix.

Re: Ask HN: Hunting for a Framework

#15

Post by FBISurveillance » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 3:06 PM UTC

Look into T3 stack [0] and maybe Remix - if you know Node.js it will make things easier for you IMO.

[0] https://github.com/t3-oss/create-t3-app

Re: Ask HN: Hunting for a Framework

#16

Post by peteforde » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 3:07 PM UTC

Honestly, it sounds like you're describing Rails without saying Rails.

Is there a specific reason that you need to have an SPA framework?

Re: Ask HN: Hunting for a Framework

#17

Post by simonbarker87 » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 3:08 PM UTC

Would RedwoodJS cover what you need?

You put Firebase in with open source only - would you consider an open source Firebase like Supabase? You can host it yourself and it’s open source.

Re: Ask HN: Hunting for a Framework

#18

Post by bitexploder » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 3:09 PM UTC

Check out Elixir/Phoenix LiveView tech. It is the only easy system that will push updates to clients easily I can think of. Their twitter clone demo is cool anyhow.

Re: Ask HN: Hunting for a Framework

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Post by _448 » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 3:11 PM UTC

Vapor[0] based on Swift. Advantage of this is that you don't have to evaluate multiple frameworks for Swift and suffer paralysis by analysis. All the Swift community is behind one framework.

The next is Actix[1] based on Rust. There are many frameworks in Rust and most of them have not reached 1.0 And which framework will survive becomes a question.

Other not so well-known is Wt[2] based on C++. This actually is created for programmers who are not web developers. The development experience is similar to desktop app development like Qt.

If that is not acceptable then Django[3], based on Python, is the one that will be good for you.

For the front-end I would recommend Flutter[4]. As much as I dislike getting tied to a single company for whom the framework is not their bread-and-butter, I don't see any other viable options to Flutter that will cover all web, mobile and desktop out of the box.

For databases, I would recommend BedrockDB[5], if you are not averse to SQLite. Or FoundationDB[6], if you want NoSQL. But if you are not concerned about horizontal scalability or okay with self-managing database availability, then PostgreSQL[7] is a very good option.

For push notifications, PushPin[8] is a good option.

[0] https://vapor.codes

[1] https://actix.rs

[2] https://webtoolkit.eu

[3] https://www.djangoproject.com

[4] https://flutter.dev

[5] https://bedrockdb.com

[6] https://www.foundationdb.org

[7] https://postgresql.org

[8] https://pushpin.org

Re: Ask HN: Hunting for a Framework

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Post by alex-olivier » Sun, Dec 04, 2022, 3:11 PM UTC

When it comes to Authentication and Authorization, these are both core components of a system but undifferentiated building blocks so wouldn’t recommend building them yourself.

Typically using something like Auth0, Cognito, Firebase Auth, FusionAuth, Clerk or many of the other authentication services will get you a full feature set for user management with little to no work.

On the authorization front consider a similar approach of decoupling the the component out of your codebase where the permissions logic is defined as policy rather than code. I work on Cerbos[1] which is an open-source, decoupled authorization layer for your software which does exactly this.

[1] https://cerbos.dev