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Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by cies »

whateveracct wrote: post #130
cies wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fucked up election systems everywhere. If there are basically only two parties by the way the counting works, then the those two parties can do the "approval of candidates" internally. Main difference being that one system is run by religious group, and the other by the influence of the super-party-donors (aka capitalists). Either way reform does not happen. Political prisoners (Assange in the west) still rotting in…

The United States' elections are simply not at the same level as Iran's (if that is what this comment is implying)

Different sure, but different in its resistance to reform? Nah.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by r721 »

dontbenebby wrote: post #128
r721 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This thread provides some context: https://twitter.com/borzou/status/1599344163769978880 "Iran abolishes morality police" is a bad way to describe what really happened it seems: >So amazing how many news outlets are going with the "Iran abolishes morality police" line based on a convoluted quote from one official. In reality morality police have been inactive since protests started, but there is no substantive news o…

I'm not on Twitter, probably because I blocked Elon.

Thread reader version: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1599344163769978880.html

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Post by cies »

ethanbond wrote: post #123
cies wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fucked up election systems everywhere. If there are basically only two parties by the way the counting works, then the those two parties can do the "approval of candidates" internally. Main difference being that one system is run by religious group, and the other by the influence of the super-party-donors (aka capitalists). Either way reform does not happen. Political prisoners (Assange in the west) still rotting in…

No, you don’t get executed in the US for saying “down with Biden/Trump/whoever.” This “all imperfect systems are equally imperfect” is utterly detached from reality.

You are right in the US you can say that. But showing how the govt is criminally scheming against the people gets you in jail just as much. Ask Assange.

> This “all imperfect systems are equally imperfect” is utterly detached from reality.

I wanted to say they are similar in resisting reform. Sorry if that was not clear.

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Post by Matl »

easytiger wrote: post #63
marcosdumay wrote: post #60

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Why the fixation on the West? This is an entirely Iranian revolution, lead by their own people, with their own, very plain goals.

Iranian government and it's clerical regime use populist anti western ideas to largely justify their existence. Like most Arab elite, the Persian elite are preoccupied with the Anglosphere

I think that's a fair point, but I'd also say that the neocons have been fixated on Iran for a long time. So it's a self-feeding cycle.

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Post by arein3 »

Eisenstein wrote: post #122
hairofadog wrote: post #91

It’s worth noting that Iran was a democracy until the 1953, when the US and UK supported a coup to install a corrupt dictator so they could avoid paying oil fees. The 1979 Iranian revolution was the pendulum swinging back hard the other way. I’m in no way supporting Iran’s religious extremism or current government, but they are monsters that we created. The coup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%…

> but they are monsters that we created. I think we should be careful using wording like that. The Iranians have agency and can do things on their own. Just because the west meddled in things doesn't give us the right to claim the results as ours, be they good or bad.

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Post by akhmatova »

hairofadog wrote: post #91

It’s worth noting that Iran was a democracy until the 1953, when the US and UK supported a coup to install a corrupt dictator so they could avoid paying oil fees. The 1979 Iranian revolution was the pendulum swinging back hard the other way. I’m in no way supporting Iran’s religious extremism or current government, but they are monsters that we created. The coup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%…

The 1979 Iranian revolution was the pendulum swinging back hard the other way.

There's nothing good to say about the 1953 coup - but in no sense was the 1979 revolution a "swing back the other way", let alone a hard swing. If anything it was a swing sideways, to a different (and in the view of many people I know from that beautiful country, substantially worse) form of dictatorship.

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Post by misiti3780 »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #137
Eisenstein wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but they are monsters that we created. I think we should be careful using wording like that. The Iranians have agency and can do things on their own. Just because the west meddled in things doesn't give us the right to claim the results as ours, be they good or bad.

I see your answer as very naive. Of course Iranians have agency as individuals; but it's very clear at this point in history that most of the 20th century has been dominated by US strategic decisions, and that "the US and UK supported a coup" is factually true. I am Italian, I believe Italians have agency, too, and yet some of our past governments were inches away from being "guided" in a different direction by the C…

italy is guilty too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_East_Africa

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Post by the-anarchist »

hairofadog wrote: post #91

It’s worth noting that Iran was a democracy until the 1953, when the US and UK supported a coup to install a corrupt dictator so they could avoid paying oil fees. The 1979 Iranian revolution was the pendulum swinging back hard the other way. I’m in no way supporting Iran’s religious extremism or current government, but they are monsters that we created. The coup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%…

Behind every tyrant there's a wealthy European.

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Post by cassepipe »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #137
Eisenstein wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but they are monsters that we created. I think we should be careful using wording like that. The Iranians have agency and can do things on their own. Just because the west meddled in things doesn't give us the right to claim the results as ours, be they good or bad.

I see your answer as very naive. Of course Iranians have agency as individuals; but it's very clear at this point in history that most of the 20th century has been dominated by US strategic decisions, and that "the US and UK supported a coup" is factually true. I am Italian, I believe Italians have agency, too, and yet some of our past governments were inches away from being "guided" in a different direction by the C…

While I mostly agree with you let's not forget there was a competing imperial power whose strategic decisions were not mere reactions to US strategic decisions and that have had quite an impact too.

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Post by linuxftw »

It's so easy to judge other cultures through the lens of our own. All nations enforce some form of dress code in public spaces, who's the arbiter of what's morally acceptable?

If other countries think their behavior is so repugnant, they should open their doors to unlimited refugees. If their atrocities are so great, build support and fight a war.

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