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Iran abolishes morality police

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Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Lots of dictatorships make concessions and continue to stick around: take Cuba with its market reforms of the 1990s and 2000s, ditto North Korea. But I don’t believe this news either, but simply because I haven’t seen any reporting that independently verifies the claim being made.

Cuba actually has a democratic process, believe it or not.

So do China, North Korea or Russia. Sometimes there are even multiple parties.

Is there a chance that the people in power (at any level of government) get voted out?

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

#52

As nntaleb postulates, once a dictatorship starts giving concessions, it is on its last legs. Therefore I do not believe this news.

Well, Saudi Arabia is morphing from a religious to a secular dictatorship right in front of our eyes. They (or, more precisely, MbS) are making a lot of concessions that do not matter to them anymore, like women being allowed to drive.

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Re: Iran abolishes morality police

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cuba actually has a democratic process, believe it or not.

So do China, North Korea or Russia. Sometimes there are even multiple parties. Is there a chance that the people in power (at any level of government) get voted out?

Ha, your comment got me thinking: is there a chance Democrats and Republicans will ever be voted out?

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

#55

As nntaleb postulates, once a dictatorship starts giving concessions, it is on its last legs. Therefore I do not believe this news.

Honest question; What motivation should a government like Iran's have to listen, if any concession it does give is seen in the West as a great opportunity to show that it is weak, on its last legs etc. to try and overthrow it?

I am not naive enough to think this is the case here, but say theoretically at some point someone with power in such a government has a human moment and actually wants to give some concessions, say because they have a daughter and can empathize or whatever.

Shouldn't we in the collective West be making it so that it is a no-brainer for this person to give this concession, without having to think about how Western governments are going to capitalize on the move to show 'weakness of the regime' etc.?

I do not believe overthrowing governments works, if simply because there will always be a feeling then among some parts of the population that it is a puppet, subservient government to whomever helped it win and that they deserve a 'native' government. This fuels a cycle of overthrow and counter-overthrow and does not actually help the people up their standard of living. Sanctions are in the same vein, only making the people suffer.

As such, I believe the only reasonable course of action is to make such governments give concessions over time and encourage them to do so via positive reinforcement. They need to arrive at democracy just like the West had time to do.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

#57

It won't bring back those they killed, and they're not abolishing islamic rule either. Bullshit gesture, IMO.

It may only be gone in name too, with the people in the grind folded into other security groups or even ending up in "private" security concerns that the regime contracts and doesn't officially monitor closely.

I expect women and others the morality police targeted & abused won't be much safer, if at all, as a result of this change.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Look what a happened in Egypt

Well they elected religious extremists who weren’t particularly keen about democracy either. I think democracy is more than just majority rule. Of course El-Sisi’s regime is not much better..

Yes democracy is majority rule that complies with the current zeitgeist of the blue checkmarks. Majority rule that doesn't is populism or authoritarianism

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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post #55

As nntaleb postulates, once a dictatorship starts giving concessions, it is on its last legs. Therefore I do not believe this news.

Honest question; What motivation should a government like Iran's have to listen, if any concession it does give is seen in the West as a great opportunity to show that it is weak, on its last legs etc. to try and overthrow it? I am not naive enough to think this is the case here , but say theoretically at some point someone with power in such a government has a human moment and actually wants to give some concessions…

Why the fixation on the West? This is an entirely Iranian revolution, lead by their own people, with their own, very plain goals.
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