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Iran abolishes morality police

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Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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As nntaleb postulates, once a dictatorship starts giving concessions, it is on its last legs. Therefore I do not believe this news.

On the contrary, throwing small concessions to the rabble helps a dictatorship remain in power. Refusing to bend only makes it more susceptible to a revolution gaining enough momentum.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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That's significant. The ayatollahs came to power thanks to big popular support (audio cassettes of khomeini). Now a popular uprising is specifically against religious restrictions. In the meantime empirically the army has all the power of the sword. That's a step towards sidelining the ayatollahs. I guess we will see if it will evolve toward a military dictatorship (as I predict), a democracy, or the existing religio…

You do realize I assume that in the whole of middle east, Israel and Iran are the only reasonably functional countries where people get to elect their government to some extent and the people leading the government actually change based on the vote? Maybe that's why the governments hate each other :-)

Perhaps Lebanon as well but the country has been non-functional for a long time. Every other country including every western ally is a de-facto dictatorship of some form or the other.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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That's significant. The ayatollahs came to power thanks to big popular support (audio cassettes of khomeini). Now a popular uprising is specifically against religious restrictions. In the meantime empirically the army has all the power of the sword. That's a step towards sidelining the ayatollahs. I guess we will see if it will evolve toward a military dictatorship (as I predict), a democracy, or the existing religio…

You do realize I assume that in the whole of middle east, Israel and Iran are the only reasonably functional countries where people get to elect their government to some extent and the people leading the government actually change based on the vote? Maybe that's why the governments hate each other :-) Perhaps Lebanon as well but the country has been non-functional for a long time. Every other country including every…

There are no real elections in Iran, since every significant challenger to whomever the Supreme Leader decides to support will be disqualified (e.g. Raisi's election).

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

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Well they elected religious extremists who weren’t particularly keen about democracy either. I think democracy is more than just majority rule. Of course El-Sisi’s regime is not much better..

So instead of a flawed democracy we rather support a military dictatorship.

If by flawed democracy you mean a dictatorship akin to Gaza, sure.

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Not sure everybody understands the F in this context. "F" means paying respect, something gamers comment in video games because in some games you press a button to express that. It's not short for 'fuck'.

You may be right but the last sentence of the comment doesn't seem coherent with this kind interpretation. Even if it's true, I don't think it would be a good thing if lot of people start to use this meme here.

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Not sure everybody understands the F in this context. "F" means paying respect, something gamers comment in video games because in some games you press a button to express that. It's not short for 'fuck'.

F is just one common action button. I imagine in this context, it's not a reference to "press F to pay respects" from Call of Duty, but a reference to a different meme, usually seen as "press X to doubt" (from the L.A. Noire detective game), and either misremembered or played in a PC version by the GP.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

#38

As nntaleb postulates, once a dictatorship starts giving concessions, it is on its last legs. Therefore I do not believe this news.

in the case of Iran, it doesn't matter. They will stay in power, possibly for a long time, nobody wanna handle a revolution in the area right now. Not even their enemies.

This is also a reform that doesn't change the laws, it's just facade, as many had predicted.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

#39

As nntaleb postulates, once a dictatorship starts giving concessions, it is on its last legs. Therefore I do not believe this news.

Hard to say something complex like a dictatorship gets overturned by just one variable. I much more favor the view laid out in "Revolutions: A Very Short Introduction" by Jack A. Goldstone. > There are five elements that create an unstable social equilibrium: economic or fiscal strain, alienation and opposition among the elites, widespread popular anger at injustice, a persuasive shared narrative of resistance, and f…

Two of the conditions (economic or fiscal strain + popular anger at injustice) seem to be met in Iran, plus the third one (narrative of resistance) is somewhat met, as Shi'a cultures tend to regard martyrdom highly and current governmental repression created a lot of martyrs.

I don't believe that all five conditions have to be met in order to see a revolution. In plenty of places like Portugal in 1974 or South Korea in the 1980s, situation was much less dire than in Iran today.

Re: Iran abolishes morality police

#40

As nntaleb postulates, once a dictatorship starts giving concessions, it is on its last legs. Therefore I do not believe this news.

Lots of dictatorships make concessions and continue to stick around: take Cuba with its market reforms of the 1990s and 2000s, ditto North Korea. But I don’t believe this news either, but simply because I haven’t seen any reporting that independently verifies the claim being made.

Cuba actually has a democratic process, believe it or not.
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