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France bans short haul domestic flights in favour of train travel

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Re: France bans short haul domestic flights in favour of train travel

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Post by helmholtz »

bsaul wrote: post #5

Bet : How long until this completely absurd measure shows its first detrimental unexpected side effect ? We french are really kings for disturbing markets because of ideology. used to be socialism, now it’s eco-bullshit ( ) ( ) eco bullshit looks just like environmental activism, except it makes 0 environmental impact, is 100% about politics and can destroy economies in less than 10 years.

Your comment is high on inflamatory polemics but lacking in substance. If you'd listed _what_ side effects you do foresee, that would have been a much more interesting comment.

Re: France bans short haul domestic flights in favour of train travel

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Post by bmitc »

The U.S. has seemingly done the opposite. Nonstop flights have all but vanished completely. What used to be a few hours on a cross-country nonstop flight has now become two to four connecting regional flights that start to approach international flight times in total.

Does anyone know what's going on with no nonstop flights anymore?

Re: France bans short haul domestic flights in favour of train travel

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Post by jeltz »

varispeed wrote: post #2

We are all in this together* *except the rich So this is another measure to widen the gap between the rich and the pleb - when the pleb's travel gets restricted further, the rich can enjoy private jet hopping undisturbed - which gives them advantage over the pleb as they can get to places even quicker. If we are serious about climate, then there should be no exceptions for the rich, in fact they should be leading by…

Pretty dishonest to write that about France, one of the few countries which seems intent on cracking down on private jets.

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Post by foxhill »

543g43g43 wrote: post #10

If you really want to reduce CO2 emissions, you need to ban cars, buses, and SUVs before you address planes. https://truecostblog.com/2010/05/27/fuel-efficiency-modes-of... Flippancy aside, in most cases the transportation mode has a relatively similar rate of emission. The problem is the number of miles travelled.

nonsense. cars, buses, and SUVs (odd distinction, but ok. also why buses?!) account for ~10-15% of global emissions (depending on how you cut it). see https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector.

Re: France bans short haul domestic flights in favour of train travel

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Post by nraynaud »

bsaul wrote: post #5

Bet : How long until this completely absurd measure shows its first detrimental unexpected side effect ? We french are really kings for disturbing markets because of ideology. used to be socialism, now it’s eco-bullshit ( ) ( ) eco bullshit looks just like environmental activism, except it makes 0 environmental impact, is 100% about politics and can destroy economies in less than 10 years.

You know staying the 6th GDP in the world with a smallish population and no natural resources, we’re doing not too bad.

There was no natural markets there anyways, the airports are paid for by local taxpayers, only really big airports make money.

Re: France bans short haul domestic flights in favour of train travel

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Post by mojuba »

I understand the criticism but to be fair high speed trains are better in many cases:

Paris - Lyon by airplane: 1h15 plus travel to and from airport, plus security, boarding etc

Paris - Lyon by train: 2h30, city center to city center, no security checks. This might actually be faster!

Personally when traveling between London and Paris I choose the high speed train. It's usually more expensive but just the fact it removes traveling to and from airports (especially in London!) adds so much comfort that you realize the extra £50-70 are totally worth it. The overall travel time is also comparable.

Re: France bans short haul domestic flights in favour of train travel

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Post by hulitu »

prawn wrote: post #4
varispeed wrote: post #2

We are all in this together* *except the rich So this is another measure to widen the gap between the rich and the pleb - when the pleb's travel gets restricted further, the rich can enjoy private jet hopping undisturbed - which gives them advantage over the pleb as they can get to places even quicker. If we are serious about climate, then there should be no exceptions for the rich, in fact they should be leading by…

From the article: ” France is also cracking down on the use of private jets for short journeys in a bid to make transport greener and fairer for the population.” ”Transport minister Clément Beaune said the country could no longer tolerate the super rich using private planes while the public are making cutbacks to deal with the energy crisis and climate change.”

> transport minister Clément Beaune said the country could no longer tolerate the super rich using private planes

I'm sure this is a misunderstanding. With a small donation for the party, everyone will be happy.

Re: France bans short haul domestic flights in favour of train travel

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Post by SanjayMehta »

bsaul wrote: post #7
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We french are really kings for disturbing markets because of ideology. Sorry, but you've been massively overtaken by the Germans. Better luck next time.

Yes ! Absolutely, pardon my chauvinism. Germans have taken the crown on this topic. They’re on another scale.

Can anyone point a bemused me to any document which explains why Germany decided to shut down their nuclear power plants?

I can't understand how wind and solar will provide power 24 hours day.

Re: France bans short haul domestic flights in favour of train travel

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Post by quentindemetz »

mojuba wrote: post #16

I understand the criticism but to be fair high speed trains are better in many cases: Paris - Lyon by airplane: 1h15 plus travel to and from airport, plus security, boarding etc Paris - Lyon by train: 2h30, city center to city center, no security checks. This might actually be faster! Personally when traveling between London and Paris I choose the high speed train. It's usually more expensive but just the fact it rem…

Paris-Lyon is more like 2h

Re: France bans short haul domestic flights in favour of train travel

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Post by throw_m239339 »

mojuba wrote: post #16

I understand the criticism but to be fair high speed trains are better in many cases: Paris - Lyon by airplane: 1h15 plus travel to and from airport, plus security, boarding etc Paris - Lyon by train: 2h30, city center to city center, no security checks. This might actually be faster! Personally when traveling between London and Paris I choose the high speed train. It's usually more expensive but just the fact it rem…

It costs me around 60€ to go from France to Switzerland by plane. It costs me way more than 60€ to go from France to Switzerland by train. This why people are taking the plane, because it's less expensive that high speed rail, nothing more. Make high speed rail less expensive and people will take the train.

Government induced free market distortion under pretense of ecology concerns is just what it is, bullshit, and a bad French habit.

edit: I know France Switzerland trips aren't affected by these laws, it's just an example.

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