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Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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What I am even more puzzled by is the concentration of manufacturing of CPUs in Taiwan, which beyond the chinese threat, is also an active seismic zone.

Making chips in Taiwan is just so economical.

Curious about why. It’s not a particularly cheap country.

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Wait, didn’t they say they’ll need 8 years to move out 10%?

I don't think so. Last year Indias share was 2-3% and in 2022 it is expected to be 5%. With new plants coming up and existing plants ramping up, i thing 10% can be reached within next year

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iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…

> Apple and many westerners never understand the risk and the ethics implication of doing business in X For clothing, people can check the label. Most consumers simply don’t care enough when fast fashion is cheaper and more convenient than “ethical brands”

People never see the harm done so they are basically ignorant.

Most people wouldn't eat meat if they had to kill an animal either.

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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I basically agree with you on all points. But can we please drop this "civilized world" term? I suggest "democratic world".

If you agree with all the points, then civilized seems apt.

You can be "civilized" and an autocracy. Certain aspects of modern China makes the West look like a backwater. Hell, even Russia has less people in prison than the US and free heath care.

Also, that phrase just reeks of imperialism, racism and superiority - just a modern version of "savages who need our one true religion". OPs argument is about democracy, not level of development and culture.

For clarity: I'm anti-autocracy

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Three hundred thousand workers work at a factory in China to make iPhones? I didn't realise how massive the production line is, considering they have a 23% market share, and the rest is all Android lead by Samsung. I am always surprised that Apple (or other Western tech giants) never considered building backup factories. Did they never think about geopolitics or natural disasters and panamics? Apart from that iPhone…

> ...never considered building backup factories...

How many $billion/year do you figure it'd cost, for Apple to build backup (idle) factories for iPhone production? To actually be usable, a backup factory can't be a mere umpteen-million-dollar huge empty building. You gotta spend umpteen more million to fully equip it, then maintain & upgrade that equipment to match the "live" factory. And hire and train a workforce, and keep their skills up. And then the same for some major chunks of your supply chain. Then...

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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What Apple has learned is that they need to diversify their manufacturing risk. It’s not surprising they want to move some production to India. I have doubts they will completely move away from China though. Apple is a business, they don’t care about politics as long as it doesn’t hinder their production.

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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> Chinese worker protection laws are quite strict. The fact 996 is illegal and still practiced and complained about and censored… makes any existence of protection laws being strict null and void.

Who can honestly say they did not ever flaunt worktime laws (where they exist)? IT people do 60-80 hours, in the liberal-democratic country where there is a strict limit of 48 hours/week (and the average being around 39h). People wear that as a misplaced badge of honour - and often complain behind closed doors. Sounds similar.

I've been living in Asia for 11 or 12 years now. There is definitely a strange culture of over-working.

Young people who live at home with their parents sometimes work late because they don't want to go home to their parents.

Alot of other people work late because they want to get noticed for promotions etc.

Some of it's self-inflicted. The first company I worked for in Singapore, the 'suits' as they are called (glorified sales people) would take requests from clients and commit at 6pm to deliverying the fixes by morning, then requesting the developers stay and do the work while they go home.

So there are definitely, 100% scenarios where it's not the company itself directly demanding employees to doing insane hours. But it does happen, China requires non-overtime hours to be capped at 36 hours. People are often not compensated for any extra hours they do.

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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I basically agree with you on all points. But can we please drop this "civilized world" term? I suggest "democratic world".

If you agree with all the points, then civilized seems apt.

We do plenty of uncivilised things in the democratic world. Casting China as uncivilised empowers the CCP to point at our prejudices and argue that their way is better and any Chinese who support democracy are self-hating traitors.

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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post #54

iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…

> And I will not be surprised Apple will cease the plan in India as soon as China steps back from the zero-covid policy, as if all the blood has not been spilled. I doubt it. The disadvantages of being dependant on a single source are well-understood in 2022.

They were understood just as well 50 years ago, the problem is, all these disadvantages are long term. Short term profits always win
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