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Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

alephnan wrote: post #37
fyresala wrote: post #26

iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…

> Apple and many westerners never understand the risk and the ethics implication of doing business in X For clothing, people can check the label. Most consumers simply don’t care enough when fast fashion is cheaper and more convenient than “ethical brands”

Sonetimes you go buy an ethical brabd, and then turbs out ut was from thevsame factoemry. Mahor brands like Nestle havecslavery in the supply chain, without chiba being involved

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by tw1984 »

Zero-covid or not, this is inevitable.

iphones were used to be built in Shenzhen, it is now no longer economically viable to do so anymore as labor costs in Shenzhen is much higher, so they moved the factory to Zhenzhou. to chase more profit, they will always consider cheaper alternatives.

It is actually good for the Chinese economy as such cheap labor jobs are not going to sustain further growth required to compete on a more skilled level globally.

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by mantas »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #41
alephnan wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple and many westerners never understand the risk and the ethics implication of doing business in X For clothing, people can check the label. Most consumers simply don’t care enough when fast fashion is cheaper and more convenient than “ethical brands”

Sonetimes you go buy an ethical brabd, and then turbs out ut was from thevsame factoemry. Mahor brands like Nestle havecslavery in the supply chain, without chiba being involved

For Nestle, supply chain is the least evil thing. Hard to beat their baby formulas marketing

Fuck Nestle.

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by silisili »

tw1984 wrote: post #42

Zero-covid or not, this is inevitable. iphones were used to be built in Shenzhen, it is now no longer economically viable to do so anymore as labor costs in Shenzhen is much higher, so they moved the factory to Zhenzhou. to chase more profit, they will always consider cheaper alternatives. It is actually good for the Chinese economy as such cheap labor jobs are not going to sustain further growth required to compete…

It's good for China because they're just going to keep making them anyways and flood the market with their version.

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by sgu999 »

fyresala wrote: post #26

iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…

> Apple and many westerners never understand the risk and the ethics implication of doing business in China.

Apple industrial partners are all asians. Samsung and the like don't do any better regarding ethics. Not sure why the divide with the "ignorant west" is necessary in your argument.

Of course people at Apple understand the risk, and it is taken into account to generate as much profit as possible.

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by cpursley »

fyresala wrote: post #26

iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…

I basically agree with you on all points.

But can we please drop this "civilized world" term?

I suggest "democratic world".

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by throwawaaay129 »

fyresala wrote: post #26

iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…

I don't know where people get the idea people are semi-enslaved in factories.. Having lived in China, in my second hand experience Chinese worker protection laws are quite strict. Somewhere between US and Europe. It's not really easy to fire people and people regularly sue their employers and win. The legal system is generally very heavily biased towards the little guy

I just feel really bad for these people. They probably left some country side life making peanuts to go make some real money for a while at a factory and like send their kids to college or whatever - and now westerners are like "no, you shouldn't do that. go back to your bucolic life of poverty. And btw we hate your government". Cool

From the initial reports it sounds like Foxxcon really royally screwed up and was not prepared logistically for a lockdown.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63739562

Another big part of this whole fiasco seems to have been conspiracy-theory style rumors and just a general freakout of the workers (which is kinda understandable given how policies are opaque and feel arbitrary)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63481793

"This young factory worker heard that the army was going to come in and take control so as to enforce a type of giant "living with Covid" experiment which involved allowing everyone in that part of Zhengzhou city to get sick."

In my experience.. even talking to educated middle class people.. these kinds of things are super common - even with all the social media controls. People believe all sorts of insane things b/c their sister's husband's cousin is in the army and told them blah blah. If in the US a double digit percentage of people believe that 9/11 was inside job - in the developing world the numbers are way scarier. It sounds like there was mass panic (again, kinda understandable given the mushroom management that's so common in Asia)

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