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South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by mlindner »

_tik_ wrote: post #275
mlindner wrote: post #266

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> How can you tell whether they hate the govt or xonophobe? Some racists use the same excuse to justify their behavior. Most xenophobes tend to be pretty clear what their opinions are and rarely deny them. Also occam's razor applies. Why assume that they're xenophobic when they repeatedly deny being xenophobic and say that they don't like the chinese government (which is the more rational opinion to take)? Ask such p…

Based on my personal experience with racism. There are different type of racism. Some are extreme, some are conscious and some are unconscious. Some are in denial. Other social media, western news, etc also show different things from country to Based on my personal experience with racism. There are different type of racism: some are extreme, some are conscious, some are unconscious, and some are in denial. Just YouTu…

Are you Chinese? Racism against various groups of people tends to vary drastically. You can't take one sort and apply it to another.

> I was recommended porn-related stuff maybe it is because of my usage pattern or my geo locations , and maybe it is the same things with Tiktok, American like to see stupid things.

You accuse of people of racist conspiracies, but then you act racist right here.

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Post by snehk »

philliphaydon wrote: post #203
nemothekid wrote: post #120

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If you are concerned about the content that American's consume, there is no reason to single out TikTok. Instagram has been shoving the same garbage into the feeds of teenagers for nearly a decade and Reels is nearly exact clone of TikTok. There is little "educational" content on Instagram Reels. The solution would be regulate all the social media companies, like how China does. If the problem is solely TikTok, then…

I live in Taiwan. I sometimes look at Facebook reels and Instagram. I never come across anti China or anti US content. I tried tiktok for a day and was bombarded with anti US content. Videos blaming the US for covid. Videos saying that covid started in the US, created by the US, etc. Videos that the US is using Taiwan to start a war with China. I deleted tiktok and have it blocked. You can defend China all you want.…

I just tried it using a VM and a VPN and I cannot reproduce your claim. Searching for "covid" and "corona", for example, literally shows me the current videos about China's crackdown on recent protests from Vice, FlashNews Australia and Sky News (as well as citizen videos from those events) as the top result. Nothing that would paint China in a positive light in any way.

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Post by lazyeye »

The argument to ban TikTok doesn't need to be complicated. Simply block Chinese media apps the same way China blocks all external media apps within its own borders.

In the context of any other kind of trade relationship would it be acceptable for China to get unfettered access to foreign markets whilst blocking all access to its own?

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Post by philliphaydon »

snehk wrote: post #302
philliphaydon wrote: post #203

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I live in Taiwan. I sometimes look at Facebook reels and Instagram. I never come across anti China or anti US content. I tried tiktok for a day and was bombarded with anti US content. Videos blaming the US for covid. Videos saying that covid started in the US, created by the US, etc. Videos that the US is using Taiwan to start a war with China. I deleted tiktok and have it blocked. You can defend China all you want.…

I just tried it using a VM and a VPN and I cannot reproduce your claim. Searching for "covid" and "corona", for example, literally shows me the current videos about China's crackdown on recent protests from Vice, FlashNews Australia and Sky News (as well as citizen videos from those events) as the top result. Nothing that would paint China in a positive light in any way.

I tried in… October 2021 just after I moved to Taiwan. Friend sent me some video of food fuckup (someone cooking turkey in oil annd setting everything on fire) and so I signed up. Scrolling through i had random videos of one (Chinese) person saying covid originated at fort detrick and blaming China was a US coverup. Another video (Chinese) person saying it originated in deer in the US. Another (Chinese) person saying it started in the US in august 2019 and they took it to China to try kill the Chinese.

I deleted tiktok about an hour after signing up so obviously my claim isn’t based on any significant data. And I also don’t claim to say this is prevalent.

But I never searched anything. I’m not from the US. And while on YouTube I do watch some content in relation to what’s happening in the US, China, Ukraine, Iran. It’s not a playlist. 98% of what I watch is movie trailers and tech videos.

Even on Instagram and Facebook 99% of what I watch is food related.

So I don’t expect my experience to be taken as absolute fact that China is spreading a propaganda through tiktok. But it’s my experience and based on the propaganda on YouTube (videos of YouTubers being escorted around the exact same areas in Xinjiang as “proof” there’s no genocide) I think it’s likely that there is some propaganda to paint the US in bad light.

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Post by bjourne »

chrischen wrote: post #262
bjourne wrote: post #254

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It's perfectly fine to separate the government from the people. That is why it is fine to hate the Chinese, Israeli, Iranian, Russian, and Saudi Arabian regimes.

You can but I don’t think it’s possible to without at least some blame by association. Even if I didn’t support the invasion of Iraq and the occupation of Afghanistan, I am still culpable as an American, and as a benefiter of American government policies (in general).

Yes, in Democracies people are culpable for the actions of their government. But I think the obligations of the Americans, Israelis, Russians, Chinese, etc is limited to consent to paying reparations to people their state has committed atrocities against. For example by paying a special tax which goes to the wronged people.

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Post by mcculley »

ipaddr wrote: post #209
mcculley wrote: post #196

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What makes you so certain of these assertions? They don’t match what my Chinese friends say.

I can start you here: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-24396957 Let me know if you need any help navigating a search engine but you should be able to put similiar keywords and get a variety of information from any number of sources.

Of course I have read the often repeated claims written in English by those who have no personal experience with China.

One of the sibling comments guided me to https://www.douyin.com where ten minutes of browsing was enough to disprove the claim "the algorithm is specifically tuned to reward dumb content in the US, compared to rewarding STEM and other educational content in China".

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Post by Kreutzer »

computerfriend wrote: post #231
Kreutzer wrote: post #37

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The actual amount of protests in China were laughably small in comparison to how the state depart... I mean 'free press' in the US portrayed it. Yes, there were reasonable protests against zero-Covid measures, no there was no revolution in progress.

They were not laughably small in comparison to other protests in China, which as I'm sure you know are extremely rare ever since the Tienanmen Square massacre in 1989. > no there was no revolution in progress. Who said there was?

>who said there was?

Fresh off the presses, courtesy of the paper of record:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/07/opinion/xi-loosens-up-it-...

Some tidbits:

"The government’s response, though, does not, of course, address the larger yearning for an end to autocracy."

"Those brave protesters have changed China’s national policy, and their broader yearning for rights can no more be extinguished than a virus; someday the Chinese Communist leadership will have to respond to that very human aspiration."

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