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Re: Fosshost Is Shutting Down

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Post by remram »

samip537 wrote: post #5
dale_glass wrote: post #4

There's a serious lack of useful information here. "Due to circumstances outside of the control of the Fosshost volunteers, we are now in a situation where we cannot guarantee our servers will stay online, and in fact expect them to go offline shortly." and in the link: "I'm expecting the BOS datacenter to go offline in the very near future." And in their Twitter profile, they seem to be a non-profit. I presume then…

We are unable to pay for co-location costs, and that's why our servers will go offline as Thomas our CEO is unreacheable. He only has access to bank and thus to funds. Explaination of the DC thing at Github: https://github.com/fosshostorg/fosshost.org/blob/main/src/po... (Other posts can be read from there too.) Post from three months ago regarding state of affairs: https://github.com/fosshostorg/fosshost.org/blob/ma…

You might not want to, but you should put some of that information on your website. Otherwise this is a huge red flag against the "Radix project" you are advertising there. If not for the information in this thread, I would stay the hell away from a project "founded in part by one of the original architects" from the ashes of the one which died suddenly without any explicit reason.

You don't have to put your dirty laundry there, but you should at least mention that the Fosshost leadership moved on, and that it's the other members that are starting Radix.

Re: Fosshost Is Shutting Down

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Post by remram »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #34
choult wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like you're a UK CIC, which means you're regulated like a company, and your CEO/Director has statutory responsibilities. If he is failing to dispense his duties, he could be struck off as a company director in future. He incorporated a Limited company called Fosshosts Projects Ltd. last year, on his own. It'll be struck off in the next two months due to failure to file. He also has another company currently in…

Can anyone file a complaint for authorities to investigate? It sounds like embezzlement of organizational funds might be a possibility and it warrants whomever oversees non profits in the jurisdiction asking some questions.

Anyone who donated could probably file a complaint. They accepted donations from individuals in the name of the CIC: http://web.archive.org/web/20221123174539/https://fosshost.o...

Re: Fosshost Is Shutting Down

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Post by imperfect_blue »

maxbond wrote: post #50
toomuchtodo wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean no offense to those having a mental health crisis, it happens (I have had one myself), but that also doesn't mean a non profit should have its funds walked off with (regardless of why). I've reported non profits to the IRS in the US when it appeared they might not be entirely above board, and I never felt like I was "calling the cops" in the same way I would where they're going to break down someone's front do…

I understand you didn't feel that way, but I think maybe you should do a thought experiment of what "doing their job" would mean? Once those events are set in motion, you can't control how they unfold or predict the outcome; even if that person didn't do the thing you were worried about, law enforcement may well find some reason to antagonize or imprison them. I'd encourage people not to contact any law enforcement e…

The purpose of reporting crime is not to receive compensation; it's to create a norm where crime is punished and hence deterred. It's a societal benefit not a personal one.

It's not good that miscarriages of justice do happen, but that doesn't change the overall point.

Re: Fosshost Is Shutting Down

#65

Post by CameronNemo »

pengaru wrote: post #58
trynewideas wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The projects list as of February in their GitHub repo, which includes GNOME and Debian: https://github.com/fosshostorg/fosshost.org/blob/main/src/da...

Considering gnome.org's IP is owned by RedHat, I find that quite unlikely to be accurate.

Fosshost provides (provided) resources to those projects, but does not have any IP ownership.

Redhat does not own (100%) of GNOME IP, there are many contributors. Also redhat is just a brand asset of IBM, so it cannot actually own anything.

Re: Fosshost Is Shutting Down

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Post by danielheath »

imperfect_blue wrote: post #63
maxbond wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand you didn't feel that way, but I think maybe you should do a thought experiment of what "doing their job" would mean? Once those events are set in motion, you can't control how they unfold or predict the outcome; even if that person didn't do the thing you were worried about, law enforcement may well find some reason to antagonize or imprison them. I'd encourage people not to contact any law enforcement e…

The purpose of reporting crime is not to receive compensation; it's to create a norm where crime is punished and hence deterred. It's a societal benefit not a personal one. It's not good that miscarriages of justice do happen, but that doesn't change the overall point.

Given that miscarriages of justice happen, maybe calling the cops speculatively is not a great plan?

Re: Fosshost Is Shutting Down

#67

Post by amatecha »

remram wrote: post #61
samip537 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are unable to pay for co-location costs, and that's why our servers will go offline as Thomas our CEO is unreacheable. He only has access to bank and thus to funds. Explaination of the DC thing at Github: https://github.com/fosshostorg/fosshost.org/blob/main/src/po... (Other posts can be read from there too.) Post from three months ago regarding state of affairs: https://github.com/fosshostorg/fosshost.org/blob/ma…

You might not want to, but you should put some of that information on your website. Otherwise this is a huge red flag against the "Radix project" you are advertising there. If not for the information in this thread, I would stay the hell away from a project "founded in part by one of the original architects" from the ashes of the one which died suddenly without any explicit reason. You don't have to put your dirty la…

Yeah it's good to know when the people who actually built and ran stuff are moving on, and the problems are due to poor management (especially by people with zero connection to the new thing).

Re: Fosshost Is Shutting Down

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Post by lategloriousgnu »

CameronNemo wrote: post #65
pengaru wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering gnome.org's IP is owned by RedHat, I find that quite unlikely to be accurate.

Fosshost provides (provided) resources to those projects, but does not have any IP ownership. Redhat does not own (100%) of GNOME IP, there are many contributors. Also redhat is just a brand asset of IBM, so it cannot actually own anything.

Parent means IP as in Internet Protocol, not Intellectual property. The DNS for gnome.org resolves to 8.43.85.5, which lists Red Hat Inc. as the ISP. Indicating it's unlikely to be hosted by Fosshost.

Re: Fosshost Is Shutting Down

#69

Post by maxbond »

imperfect_blue wrote: post #63
maxbond wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand you didn't feel that way, but I think maybe you should do a thought experiment of what "doing their job" would mean? Once those events are set in motion, you can't control how they unfold or predict the outcome; even if that person didn't do the thing you were worried about, law enforcement may well find some reason to antagonize or imprison them. I'd encourage people not to contact any law enforcement e…

The purpose of reporting crime is not to receive compensation; it's to create a norm where crime is punished and hence deterred. It's a societal benefit not a personal one. It's not good that miscarriages of justice do happen, but that doesn't change the overall point.

I understand the principle of what you're advocating for, but the unfortunate reality is that miscarriages of justice are the norm and not the exception. I'd put forward another principle; it is better to let 1000 guilty parties go free than to condemn 1 innocent party (and "innocent" here should be taken to include people who are committing a "crime" that is normally tolerated, employed as an excuse to arrest someone - each of us commits dozens of these "crimes" regularly, without realizing it). When we reflexively invite law enforcement into other people's lives, when we do not and cannot understand the situation at hand, we are not likely to promote a societal good. We are far more likely to promote a societal ill; that of overpolicing.

I'd encourage people to think of law enforcement as an adversarial entity, constantly trying to do everyone in, who needs your invitation to act. It might be because they need to drive their performance metrics up, it might be because they're overzealous in the pursuit of what they view as justice, we can't really know and it doesn't matter. When you give them that invitation, they will make the absolute most of the opportunity. If you invite that monster into someone else's life - you had better be damn sure that they are a real threat to the community. You don't want to ruin (or perhaps end) someone's life over a miscommunication.

Re: Fosshost Is Shutting Down

#70

Post by pengaru »

CameronNemo wrote: post #65
pengaru wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering gnome.org's IP is owned by RedHat, I find that quite unlikely to be accurate.

Fosshost provides (provided) resources to those projects, but does not have any IP ownership. Redhat does not own (100%) of GNOME IP, there are many contributors. Also redhat is just a brand asset of IBM, so it cannot actually own anything.

I said gnome.org's IP, not GNOME's. As the sibling comment stated; I am lazily referring to the site's IP address.
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