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Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by t0bia_s »

slenk wrote: post #284
SebastianKra wrote: post #169

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I hate that ads are now seen as a necessary evil for funding free access to services. The money still comes from you, just through the purchase of products. What's worse, if you pay for YouTube Premium or Kagi, you're effectively paying for your content twice. No wonder, poorer people can't afford that. I guess you could frame it like this: "Company are overcharging us by insane amounts anyways, so at least some of t…

Wait - I pay for YT Premium and see ZERO ads on YouYube. How exactly am I paying for my content twice?

Why not adblocking for free?

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by t0bia_s »

thewebcount wrote: post #149
Archipelagia wrote: post #41

Not the biggest fan of Brave myself, but they seem to actually get extra points in my eyes for adding the paid option. It's not like you can pay $3 to Google to get them to stop surveilling you. On a bigger note, monetizing search without ads seem to be a pretty tricky business model. Especially if you want to move beyond being a niche product; even an average HN reader would be hard to convince to pay for a regular…

It's a slippery slope though. We saw this with Google, so it's not like it's a straw man. First it's small, discrete ads to the side. Then it's the first few entries are ads, but are marked as such. Then it's the first page of entries. Then the marking disappears. (Yeah, they put it back eventually after a backlash. I wouldn't expect a company like Brave to do the same, though.) I just go with a search engine I pay f…

But there is no privacy with payed service. Your search history is linked with your credit card = name.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by t0bia_s »

kevinventullo wrote: post #111
Archipelagia wrote: post #41

Not the biggest fan of Brave myself, but they seem to actually get extra points in my eyes for adding the paid option. It's not like you can pay $3 to Google to get them to stop surveilling you. On a bigger note, monetizing search without ads seem to be a pretty tricky business model. Especially if you want to move beyond being a niche product; even an average HN reader would be hard to convince to pay for a regular…

If search engines were considered important enough to be a public utility, one could be funded by taxpayer dollars. Now of course, search results can be heavily politicized, but I suppose the same is true of which books a library decides to carry.

No. We need decentralised federated solution.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by t0bia_s »

INeedMoreRam wrote: post #167
puchatek wrote: post #97

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I would pay Google 30 just for search+maps of it came without tracking and ads

My solution is using uBlock Origin without signing in to Google and a VPN. I'm not concerned about ads because I literally never see them. And uBlock blocks the tracking. Do you not use uBlock Origin? https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin/cjpa...

Your browser has unique fingerprint regardless of VPN or uBlock. If you want be anonymous, use Tor.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by t0bia_s »

INeedMoreRam wrote: post #48
mberning wrote: post #32

I have been enjoying Kagi. Don’t mind the $10 per month to support something that caters to me rather than advertisers.

Did you create a new “bogus”email address when you signed up for their service to hide your identity? Or were you okay with giving them your real email address? I feel uncomfortable potentially having my searches linked to my real email and/or name.

Who cares about email when you gave them your real name with credit card.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by t0bia_s »

hosteur wrote: post #153
INeedMoreRam wrote: post #48

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Did you create a new “bogus”email address when you signed up for their service to hide your identity? Or were you okay with giving them your real email address? I feel uncomfortable potentially having my searches linked to my real email and/or name.

Never mind the email address. If you pay them they have your real identity. This is really what prevents me from using them. Although the search does seem to be superb.

Exactly this.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by t0bia_s »

pocketarc wrote: post #13

Ads seem to be a modern virus that infects everything. Everyone who claims "no ads", eventually turns their back on that once they get big enough, even companies with more than enough money from their own products (e.g. Apple, Netflix). I've never seen anything so powerful. I guess it comes down to "no business would say no to free money", but it really is incredible.

But you need money. Without money, whole businesses is pointless. With financial crisis and ridiculous inflation, who cares about ads?

Well... If they try sell you a product, it is harmless. But with selling an ideas and manipulation of masses, that is diferent story. I guess propaganda is a right definition.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by skinnymuch »

BrendanEich wrote: post #290
skinnymuch wrote: post #94

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They could have meant when Brave swapped affiliate links before the backlash had them backtrack. Which was a wild thing to do. Blocking ads in your browser while charging to not show ads is also pretty wild. Why doesn’t their ad blocker block their ads?

You're wrong on "refgate", see https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1360780527100338177 . We do block our own search ads if Brave Shields is set to Aggressive mode, same as with other search engines and UGC social platforms. What else you got?

Oh wow. So much time had passed since that. I remember seeing the details after I had made the negative connection between Brave and “refgate”. Especially the HN thread at the time was chaotic. That negative connotation never left.

Wish I could edit or delete my post. Sorry.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by prepend »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #135
hunterb123 wrote: post #108

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Okay what problems in the whole ecosystem do you mean? You stated your opinion, but you forgot to add your reasoning.

What this guy said basically: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33820597

I’m still not sure how this describes a getting worse scenario.

The dumb crypto stuff has been there since the beginning and hasn’t changed much at all.

I see them adding products like search and it seems like Brave is improving.

I think it’s better than Chrome for the ad blocking. It’s better than FireFox for performance.

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