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Re: EmacsConf 2022

#11

As with the high vote totals for Firefox-related links, the presence of a link on an ancient* text editor at #1 on HN (as I write) reveals that HN voters are a bit ... old school. These tools' relative importance has declined over the last 15 years. * (I am a graybeard who used Emacs daily for a long time)

you say old school, i say “prefers battle-hardened tools”

it is kind of amusing to use an editor every day that is significantly older than me, i have to admit.

Re: EmacsConf 2022

#12

As with the high vote totals for Firefox-related links, the presence of a link on an ancient* text editor at #1 on HN (as I write) reveals that HN voters are a bit ... old school. These tools' relative importance has declined over the last 15 years. * (I am a graybeard who used Emacs daily for a long time)

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Re: EmacsConf 2022

#13
Check out HHC, the HP Handheld Conference. It's just like EmacsConf, but the people are older :-)

https://hhuc.us/

The presentations are on YouTube, some I like:

"Don't make me wait" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPJdAvQpsGc

"Book binding 2.0" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAnkiaefcB8

"Know thine enemy (TI)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIN2y-SnA6c (TI fast mode)

Re: EmacsConf 2022

#14

As with the high vote totals for Firefox-related links, the presence of a link on an ancient* text editor at #1 on HN (as I write) reveals that HN voters are a bit ... old school. These tools' relative importance has declined over the last 15 years. * (I am a graybeard who used Emacs daily for a long time)

What do you use now and how is it better than Emacs?

I thought I was behind the times and learned VSCode but I've been underwhelmed so far. You still need to choose, install and configure extensions but these extensions are not of the same quality as Emacs extensions. For example, the Git extensions of VSCode fail as soon as something a bit unexpected happens. With no Magit around, you end up using Git command line which is not known for great ergonomics.

Re: EmacsConf 2022

#16

As with the high vote totals for Firefox-related links, the presence of a link on an ancient* text editor at #1 on HN (as I write) reveals that HN voters are a bit ... old school. These tools' relative importance has declined over the last 15 years. * (I am a graybeard who used Emacs daily for a long time)

Editor wars are right up there with tabs vs spaces, right? I too was an Emacs devotee once upon a time. On of the CS professors at our school in the late 90's was even more so, known for doing all his work from inside of Emacs. But these days VS Code is really making life easy. It's impressively feature-rich with a minimum of futzing.

Re: EmacsConf 2022

#17

Check out HHC, the HP Handheld Conference. It's just like EmacsConf, but the people are older :-) https://hhuc.us/ The presentations are on YouTube, some I like: "Don't make me wait" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPJdAvQpsGc "Book binding 2.0" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAnkiaefcB8 "Know thine enemy (TI)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIN2y-SnA6c (TI fast mode)

Cool, but completely off-topic.

Re: EmacsConf 2022

#18

As with the high vote totals for Firefox-related links, the presence of a link on an ancient* text editor at #1 on HN (as I write) reveals that HN voters are a bit ... old school. These tools' relative importance has declined over the last 15 years. * (I am a graybeard who used Emacs daily for a long time)

> These tools' relative importance has declined over the last 15 years.

I would say to the contrary. There has been a flurry of new development on Emacs in the recent years initiated by a new generation of developers. New (and simpler) search and autocompletion frameworks (Ivy, vertico), native compilation of Elisp, the rise of Org and the advent of LSP clients (thx VScode). In the coming years Treesitter might render LSP obsolete some day. Exciting times ahead.

And what does it mean to be an old piece of software anyway?

Software may age but compared to hardware it has the advantage of being able to evolve. I hate it to break to you: Windows and Linux kernels are over 30 years old written in a language that was invented 50 years ago. The whole design principle of state of the art operating systems was invented in the 1970s. MS Office kernels are probably older than 30 years and the leading X86 platform looks back on an over 40 year old history. The first Python version was released back in 1991, that’s 30 years. JS almost has 27 years (1995 afir). Chrome BTW was released back in 2008, that’s already been 14 years. Safari‘s engine comes closer to 20 years.

Does it even make any sense to compare Emacs 29 with versions from the 80s?

Re: EmacsConf 2022

#19

The videos are pre-recorded, but after the video there is a live Q&A section. Come and join the IRC channel. It's a lot of fun.

Was this an exceptional measure or a planned new kind of organization ? It's interesting.

Re: EmacsConf 2022

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post #17

Check out HHC, the HP Handheld Conference. It's just like EmacsConf, but the people are older :-) https://hhuc.us/ The presentations are on YouTube, some I like: "Don't make me wait" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPJdAvQpsGc "Book binding 2.0" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAnkiaefcB8 "Know thine enemy (TI)" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIN2y-SnA6c (TI fast mode)

Cool, but completely off-topic.

Only partly so, I'm stretching it a bit but HP Calc's RPN is inspired by lisp, and emacs calc is in turn stack based, just like RPN :) It's a big cross pollinization fest.
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