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Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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We need try and start to route around companies that are damaging the internet; and start figuring out who their collaborators are and route around them. This is a great first start, but we need to get companies like google to refuse to allow the MPAA & RIAA to use any of their value add products (gmail/calendar/etc).

Is there a peerblock list for SOPA supporting companies?

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The "Occupy" movement is a sinking ship run by anarchists. It's literally an expression of incoherent rage. I think a traditional, well-organized, on-message movement against SOPA would do a lot better than throwing in with OWS.

Expressions of incoherent rage have fuelled the majority of social change in history.

Yes, but mostly the bad kind.

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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Wrong. In the New Testament, faith means assurance based on a reliable track record. It's the Greek word "pistis" and the two terms - faith and assurance - are used interchangeably.

Esoteric definitions of faith have little use in standard discussion.

If the "esoteric" definition is the one used by religious people, then it has a great deal of use in discussing the thought processes of religious people.

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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I just saw that the USTA (United States Tennis Association) supports SOPA. What a disappointment. This is the organization that manages the US Open and other pro tennis tournaments, but it's also the group that manages amateur leagues and tournaments.

I've been thinking about just playing ultimatetennis instead, maybe this is the time.

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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If you think about it, hunters are rarely invited to wildlife fundraisers, fur clothing manufacturers to PETA meetings, and creationists to NAS meetings -- all because of opinions expressed by each party. Dissent is part of a modern life, and not inviting people to private events is a perfectly legitimate way of voicing that dissent.

The examples you gave are all of events which are defined by some belief or cause, whose opponents would simply be out of place if present. That's very different from what's going on here, where the bearers of a particular opinion are being excluded from a business relationship as a punishment for expressing an opinion which is only circuitously related to that business relationship.

SOPA is an attempt to fight copyright infringement by breaking the whole internet. It's crazy overkill, but that doesn't mean people and businesses shouldn't try to avoid becoming collateral damage.

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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There is no place in the scientific method for belief without evidence, which is what faith is; faith forms the basis of religion.

>" There is no place in the scientific method for belief without evidence " I'm not a professional scientist but as a wannabe theoretician I can't concede how this can be correct. Indeed I think it needs to be wrong often in order for experiment to progress from theory. I'd warrant that the LHC was only built because those theoreticians at the forefront of physical advances in particle physics at Fermilab and CERN (a…

Ideally, one adopts a hypothesis specifically to prove it false, not because one is sure it is true. Even if you believe it before you run an experiment on it, you do so provisionally, without putting "faith" in it, because you know you might be forced to discard it. This is not the faith in science you are looking for.

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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Esoteric definitions of faith have little use in standard discussion.

If the "esoteric" definition is the one used by religious people, then it has a great deal of use in discussing the thought processes of religious people.

I see no evidence to indicate this is the popular working definition of faith for the religious.

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

#168
GODADDY is acting like we're bluffing and basically challenging us to try and make a dent in their business. Read this!

Update (6:18 PM): GoDaddy seems unimpressed by the boycott so far. They made the following statement to Ars Technica: "Go Daddy has received some emails that appear to stem from the boycott prompt, but we have not seen any impact to our business. We understand there are many differing opinions on the SOPA regulations."

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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There was an article (that I now cannot find) that claimed there was a positive effect of counterfeiting for high end fashion brands because it motivated buyers to more quickly move on to the latest version. Someone who is willing to spend $700 on a hand bag will get a newer version rather than hold onto the one they have when they see anyone and everyone sporting it.

That’s an interesting point, and I’d like to read that article, but I think it’d be highly situationally dependent on the particular brand and you’d have to know their internal sales numbers to confirm it. Even if it were true, though, it still doesn’t address the fact that the designers would be crazy not to want more power to stop their designs from being stolen for simply artistic rather than pragmatic or business…

You made some very valid points in your replies and I was with you as long as you presented them as reasonable hypothetical motives for the fashion industry to support this bill.

However, when you say stuff such as In fact, it’s that kind of one-sided ad hominem bullshit that’s actually the problem, you presume that the point about them being greedy or immoral is invalid. That also sounds a bit naive and one-sided.

We've all observed how artistic rights, copyrights, patents are used by corporations to turn unscrupulous profits. Can you guarantee that executives leading corporations in the fashion industry are exempt of such practices? Would you vouch for their integrity if we decided to observe their various operations under the magnifier? Can you say with certainty that no questionable corners have been cut to turn up a buck or two?

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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I think it depends on what you mean by "good investor". If you invest in tobacco, land mine manufacturers, and semi-competent toxic waste disposal facilities, you might make a mint. That would make you a good investor in the sense of profitable. However, no entrepreneur in his right mind would take money from people like that, because they wouldn't be good investors in the sense of being supportive of a long-term eff…

Minor tangent here that's not relevant to your main point - what exactly is wrong with trying to dispose of toxic waste in a "semi-competent" manner? Lead, mercury, asbestos, and all those other freaky things have got to go somewhere . Shouldn't you be more pissed off at people generating that waste?

Semi-competent disposal results in semi-containment of toxic waste. Competent disposal results in full containment of toxic waste.
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