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Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by SergeAx »

"Level Eleven: [...] “Forgive the interruption, boss, but a lot of our most active users are getting angry at you specifically, because the hate speech, spam, and copyright filters are blocking their dank memes, and sometimes they’re getting removed from the platform for violating the rules too many times. They think you’re sitting here and removing their accounts personally.”

Why does everyone blame me?!? Okay, let’s set up a “trust council” who will handle all content moderation questions and appeals."

Here's the first obvious mistake. One should just ignore tinfoil-hat claims, not trying to respond. Also, replacing a manager (who is reporting to CEO) with committee is almost never a good idea.

Here's another one:

"Hire more people in Germany and now review reports as much as possible, but default to taking down reported content".

There should be "...in Germany" addition. Country-law abiding takedown should affect only that one country.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by vba616 »

PathOfEclipse wrote: post #185
mmastrac wrote: post #6

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…

Except Musk was never ever for absolute free speech. Also, the free speech absolutists have it wrong. Read speechless: controlling words, controlling minds for a much better and more coherent conservative philosophy on free speech. Absolute free speech is an illusion that has never existed and never will. Our problem in society is that that we censor the wrong kinds of speech and tolerate the wrong kinds of speech. O…

How do we know what Musk is for, let alone what he has been "for" during his entire past life? Your last sentence implies that he "explicitly" says stuff and we should take that at face value.

He was openly crowing over being able to hoax/troll the media on Twitter as of just a few days ago. The off-the-wall idea that what he says represents what he believes is constantly promoted even by the people who supposedly are frothing with hatred for him.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by themitigating »

stcroixx wrote: post #179
themitigating wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm referring to pre musk ban. The exact tweet was “I’m a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I’m going death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE,” Someone was proposing incitement to violence has a threahold etc. This to me is clearly incitement to violence. Some have claimed he didn't know what "death con" (defcon) means to which I say what could he have possibly meant. It's on Jewish People.

Defcon is a defense term indicating a level of preparedness. I don't see how it could possibly be argued that preparation and an incitement to violence are the same thing. Words matter even if he doesn't know what they mean. Would be very interesting to see that attempted. Personally, I think he probably meant something else that very likely could have been closer to an incitement of violence, but he doesn't have the…

Preparation for what?

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by themitigating »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #311
krapp wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That isn't true in common parlance.

It literally stands for defense readiness condition

Defense against the jews which implies they act as a group to attack.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by themitigating »

martindbp wrote: post #330
themitigating wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the past and in some places today profane and obscene material was/is censored and no one bats an eye. Books are being removed from libraries and that has happened apparently for decades. This type of censorship has been completely accepted by all past generations.

We went from censoring things that everyone thinks is bad (CP, death threats), to now censoring opinions which 50% of Americans share, and probably 90% of the world in just a few years.

So censorship is ok if everyone agrees to it?

Everyone agrees racism is wrong can we censor it?

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by meken »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #141

It's all very Brexit reminiscent. "Let's leave the EU and get rid of all this red tape and beaurocracy" leave EU discover why all those rules were necessary slowly re-invent a crappy copy of the above rules, at great personal expense, because the same external forces that existed before require them

Are we doomed to repeat this cycle ad infinitum? Is this how it’s always been, and will always be…?

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by encryptluks2 »

themitigating wrote: post #334
encryptluks2 wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It literally stands for defense readiness condition

Defense against the jews which implies they act as a group to attack.

No it doesn't. Defense implies that you are planning to be attacked. Regardless though, it is free speech because the word can mean a lot of things. There are countless videos of Democrats like Pelosi saying we are going to "beat" Republicans. I guess those Democrats should be banned from national television for inciting violence.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by ceejayoz »

threeseed wrote: post #268
krapp wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't true. We've tried real-world identities on the internet numerous times, most broadly when Google merged G+ and Youtube, but also a lot of USENET identifiers and signatures included a person's real name, or easily identifiable version of it. It accomplishes absolutely nothing - people are perfectly willing to put their real name and reputation behind their harrassing and toxic behavior. It does, however, ma…

This is already happening on Twitter today. Just like people are happy to have signs on the gardens or stickers on their truck they are more than willing to tell people their views online. Especially because they don't work for some multi-national that cares what their political views are. And so there are no consequences for whatever they say or do.

Precisely. My local NextDoor has a local business owner posting foul trolling pretty much nonstop. Under the same name his business operates under. Seems to do fine.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by themitigating »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #312
lamontcg wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"death" con 3 Can't understand how you can be racing to explain and apologize that.

So because he said death con (instead of DEFCON), it had some secret meaning that meant something entirely different and you have proof of this where? I am no fan of Kanye, but people see what they want to see. Maybe he was making some trope about the holocaust, but even holocaust denial isn't illegal in the US.

"My new secret word for praising a group of people and respecting their culture is death"

Nailed it

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by themitigating »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #337
themitigating wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Defense against the jews which implies they act as a group to attack.

No it doesn't. Defense implies that you are planning to be attacked. Regardless though, it is free speech because the word can mean a lot of things. There are countless videos of Democrats like Pelosi saying we are going to "beat" Republicans. I guess those Democrats should be banned from national television for inciting violence.

"I'm going to beat them in a race"? The word is commonly used to mean win a competition and in fact I'd argue it's use meaning physical violence is rarer.

Also being a republican (politican) is a choice and therefore valid to be a target of hatred. People aren't born Republican , however bring Jewish is considered both an ethnic group and religion. This is the key to why it's acceptable to attack a political group verus an ethnic group.

Jews have different views, they don't act as one group, they don't have a hierarchy like republicans, nor don't put out group statements.

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