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Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by philliphaydon » Sat, Dec 03, 2022, 5:40 AM UTC

b345 wrote: post #220

philliphaydon wrote: post #203

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I live in Taiwan. I sometimes look at Facebook reels and Instagram. I never come across anti China or anti US content. I tried tiktok for a day and was bombarded with anti US content. Videos blaming the US for covid. Videos saying that covid started in the US, created by the US, etc. Videos that the US is using Taiwan to start a war with China. I deleted tiktok and have it blocked. You can defend China all you want.…

Anecdotal evidence. Maybe it's what you were recommended based on your watch history or other data points. YouTube recommends me anti-China content all the time.

YouTube has a lot of anti China and anti US content. But you can block channels and subjects and clean it up. But the difference is anti. US content tends to be fake propaganda. Like claiming covid started in the US and was designed to kill people in China? That’s blatant propaganda. That’s anti US. Talking about the US spending money on gain of function research in Wuhan? That’s just reporting on facts. But I don’t consider that anti US.

Anti China content is just facts. If a video comes out saying there’s protesting in China due to zero covid. That’s not fake news. It’s not propaganda. It’s just something happening and CCP bots will scream “anti China anti China”

You can’t do that on tiktok.

I specifically called out Facebook and Instagram. It’s not flooded to death with propaganda.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by causi » Sat, Dec 03, 2022, 5:56 AM UTC

nemothekid wrote: post #160

musk_micropenis wrote: post #148

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Please don't resort to conflating criticism of China (however speculative) with Sinophobia. It lowers the tone of the discussion and imputes a motive onto your peers which isn't warranted. If you have a problem with the facts of the discussion then address them directly.

Repeating a previous comment: If you want TikTok banned in the US because they don't have proper data hygiene and you believe that data could be used by the CCP in the future that is fair. If you want TikTok banned in the US because you believe that they promote dumb content as part of some strategic Chinese plot and you conveniently ignore Meta and Google, I'm going to assume that your reasoning comes from irrationa…

I think Sinophobia is the wrong word. If you're playing for the blue team against the red team you're not red-team-phobic.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by onetimeusename » Sat, Dec 03, 2022, 6:01 AM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #215

sidlls wrote: post #212

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" I never look at my coworkers and think if it weren’t for them I would be making even more than 3x to 4x the median income in the US." You should think that, though: their presence is helping reduce wages, including yours. The fact that labor in tech is relatively well paid compared to other fields is entirely irrelevant.

Yes because I’m such a selfish human being I’m going to bemoan the fact that my coworkers who are also able to have a good life that ability because even with my unvested RSUs that are at half their all time highs, I’m still going to make over three times the national median household income. For context: I’m not bragging, I’m not officially a software engineer by title and I only fell into BigTech three years ago at…

I don't get why they can't just hire more citizens; can't most people agree that would be good? If you don't want the money, fine, but it just seems unreasonable that we force Americans to compete against people who are the top 0.001% of some other country with a billion people. Who benefits from that? The tech company does, that one person who may or may not even like Americans does. That person's former country could lose since their best leave or maybe they pressure them to steal tech who knows?

I don't think immigration is a cost free win for America in 100% of the cases. I am worried we are creating a caste of elite immigrants and their progeny who occupy the country's most elite positions and we're prioritizing foreign education to the detriment of US citizens. We have no reason to make things more competitive here if we can just import people from another country. It's bizarre to do this on a lot of different levels.

I think we should do what China is doing with their own citizens and try to make Americans more competitive and then we could talk about skilled immigration.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by mlindner » Sat, Dec 03, 2022, 6:11 AM UTC

nemothekid wrote: post #146

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #134

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It's not that it's owned by Chinese, it's that it is based in China with demonstrated links to the Chinese communist government. It's not sinophobic to distrust the Chinese government. Are the Chinese protestors sinophobes?

If you want TikTok banned in the US because they don't have proper data hygiene and you believe that data could be used by the CCP in the future that is fair. If you want TikTok banned in the US because you believe that they promote dumb content as part of some strategic Chinese plot and you conveniently ignore Meta and Google, I'm going to assume that your reasoning comes from irrational fear of the Chinese. It does…

> I'm going to assume that your reasoning comes from irrational fear of the Chinese.

Where do you get get these ideas when people repeatedly tell you that it's not the case?

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by mlindner » Sat, Dec 03, 2022, 6:13 AM UTC

_tik_ wrote: post #211

nemothekid wrote: post #146

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If you want TikTok banned in the US because they don't have proper data hygiene and you believe that data could be used by the CCP in the future that is fair. If you want TikTok banned in the US because you believe that they promote dumb content as part of some strategic Chinese plot and you conveniently ignore Meta and Google, I'm going to assume that your reasoning comes from irrational fear of the Chinese. It does…

I agree with both of your points. This reminds me while visiting the holocaust museum. The guide explained similar conspiracy popular believe that Jews have a great secret plan to poison European society. I assumed this kind of thinking is commons in Xenophobic situations either subconsciously or un subconsciously.

People criticize Israel all the time. Criticizing the state (Israel) is unrelated to criticizing the people (Jewish). Similiarly for China, criticizing the state is not the same as criticizing the Chinese. And adding on, there's multiple types of Chinese people. There's Chinese in America, Chinese in Taiwan and Chinese in many other countries. No one fears "the Chinese" that's just CCP government brainwashing to try to trick innocent people such as yourself that any criticism of the party is xenophobia/sinophobia.

The Russian government has been actively doing it during the war in Ukraine, trying to accuse all of Europe and the US for having "Russophobia". Turns out autocrats rhyme with each other.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by scarface74 » Sat, Dec 03, 2022, 6:15 AM UTC

onetimeusename wrote: post #223

scarface74 wrote: post #215

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Yes because I’m such a selfish human being I’m going to bemoan the fact that my coworkers who are also able to have a good life that ability because even with my unvested RSUs that are at half their all time highs, I’m still going to make over three times the national median household income. For context: I’m not bragging, I’m not officially a software engineer by title and I only fell into BigTech three years ago at…

I don't get why they can't just hire more citizens; can't most people agree that would be good? If you don't want the money, fine, but it just seems unreasonable that we force Americans to compete against people who are the top 0.001% of some other country with a billion people. Who benefits from that? The tech company does, that one person who may or may not even like Americans does. That person's former country cou…

So do you think they should hire less skilled people? Isn’t that the much hated “affirmative action” instead of hiring based on merit?

As an American citizen you wouldn’t want to be considered a “diversity hire” would you?

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by DocTomoe » Sat, Dec 03, 2022, 6:32 AM UTC

If they had found the app doing some things, the ban would be nationwide. This is just one state's government trying to fan some fears about the chinaman.

That being said: I don't see why any government device should have access to any social media.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by mkbkn » Sat, Dec 03, 2022, 6:34 AM UTC

hammock wrote: post #5

The bigger deal (bigger than the tracking that people usually focus on) might be how the algorithm is specifically tuned to reward dumb content in the US, compared to rewarding STEM and other educational content in China. One minute video that explains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hus9fWz0RRk Further reading: https://www.opindia.com/2022/07/tiktok-china-engineering-oth...

"opindia" website is an ultra-right wing propaganda website with ties to the current ruling party of India. They are not journalists.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by blackoil » Sat, Dec 03, 2022, 6:34 AM UTC

philliphaydon wrote: post #221

b345 wrote: post #220

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Anecdotal evidence. Maybe it's what you were recommended based on your watch history or other data points. YouTube recommends me anti-China content all the time.

YouTube has a lot of anti China and anti US content. But you can block channels and subjects and clean it up. But the difference is anti. US content tends to be fake propaganda. Like claiming covid started in the US and was designed to kill people in China? That’s blatant propaganda. That’s anti US. Talking about the US spending money on gain of function research in Wuhan? That’s just reporting on facts. But I don’t…

> anti. US content tends to be fake propaganda. > Anti China content is just facts.

And you are surprised, you don't find Sinophobia.

Re: South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices

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Post by philliphaydon » Sat, Dec 03, 2022, 6:37 AM UTC

blackoil wrote: post #229

philliphaydon wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube has a lot of anti China and anti US content. But you can block channels and subjects and clean it up. But the difference is anti. US content tends to be fake propaganda. Like claiming covid started in the US and was designed to kill people in China? That’s blatant propaganda. That’s anti US. Talking about the US spending money on gain of function research in Wuhan? That’s just reporting on facts. But I don’t…

> anti. US content tends to be fake propaganda. > Anti China content is just facts. And you are surprised, you don't find Sinophobia.

So what you’re saying is. If it’s not positive then it’s Sinophobia.